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Actually no. This is about bloated agencies creating mandates that are enforced with punishment, something they are not allowed to do. Congress is allowed to do that. And this is what this case is about.

The definition the ATF themselves have published for question 4b on their Form 4 will make that a difficult argument.

One of the videos I watched on this subject and I think it was ACB commented about agencies making rules that create felons out of previously law abiding citizens. Got the impression that was a real concern for the SC. Hope they go in our favor.

I don't recall "firearms" being mentioned in the Second Amendment.....

What teeth does SCOTUS have?



After they rule, if an agency just continues to do what they want, what enforcement
is there? The Executive branch is tasked with enforcement.
Obummer decided that he wouldn't do his job and enforce the pot laws. (He should have been impeached for dereliction) Now Slow Joe refuses to enforce border and immigration laws.


What happens of SCOTUS say suppressors are legal,
but ATF(under POTUS) rolls out regulation?

ATF gonna prosecute us, every liberal lower level judge gonna entertain it.


We have 3 "equal" branches.
One makes rules,
one reviews them, approving or denying,
one enforces. And has the power, of badges and guns.

What happens when the badges and guns run amuck?

We can hope that they get it right once and for all.

Or a felon.

Any felon?

Ones who perhaps just committed wire fraud?

Only violent ones?

Some States have various "classes" of felonies, so only the most egregious ones?

All felons? For the rest of their lives? Just until they've fulfilled and served their whole sentences including parole/probation?

Until a judge declares them fit again? Which judge---- a liberal or conservative one?

Is there a historical analog from the time period established under Bruen for the denial of a freed felon his/her rights???

sunny how a country built on Christianity, and Christians, forgets about
being forgiven and getting a second chance.

Never have understood how something stupid done on your twenties should follow you for life. By thirty you've done your time, at 40 you have a clean record for a decade. What's gained for anyone to keep punishing you?



There are few people who haven't engaged in some activity that wasn't either a felony,
or could have become one if factors beyond their control had kicked in.


A couple beers and the drive home....someone ends up dead, your likely a killer.
Cruising the back roads 18, at 100mph.....killer.

Forgetting a handgun in your car and going into MD.
Glad I haven't been caught!😉

It's probably a conversation for another thread, but the THREE Branches are in NO WAY EQUAL!!!! CONSTITUTIONALLY....

Given that they are really just fancy small engine mufflers...their NFA status is ludicrous.

It's probably a conversation for another thread, but the THREE Branches are in NO WAY EQUAL!!!! CONSTITUTIONALLY....[/quote]
Please enlighten me. I've always considered them equal - much like the Holy Trinity.

Yeah, the original idea, enshrined in the Constitution, was that they be coequal.

They are far from 'equal'...

The Congress passes a Law, the POTUS can Veto, the Congress can then say 'screw you', vote again with enough majority and make it a Law WITHOUT the POTUS.

The Court can take existing Law that is not clear and interpret a way not meant by CONGRESS, Congress can say 'screw you', and write or Pass, better Law that the court cannot get around.

The Court can overturn or nullify Law based on Constitutionality, the Congress can say 'screw you' Amend the Constitution....

Congress, can run the show, if they have the nuts and the votes, and there is not much the POTUS or the SCOTUS can do about it.......

Congress is far more powerful than either of the other two....

POTUS cannot make Law, SCOTUS cannot make Law, this is Constitutional.

IMHO

Actually just found this:

https://theimaginativeconservative....-david-j-siemers-richard-bishirjian.html

Were I to hazard a guess on when the notion of Co-Equal Branches came to light, it would be a liberal thought over something like Roe V. Wade.

Where the left had a decision by SCOTUS that suited them, and Congress was trying to go a different direction. So up comes the Co-Equal farce, we're all 'equal', one can't override the other.....

Co-Equal ranks right up there with 'stare decisis' or Let the Decision Stand....

The left loves stare decisis when the court has already ruled in a way that they like, Ex. Roe V. Wade, can't change that, it's stare decisis.

But, when they don't like a decision, they don't give two chitts about stare decisis...

Did you listen to the entire oral argument in Cargill?

Do you still think I am wrong that SCOTUS will agree with the ATF on bumpstocks?

You seem to pay attention so I am interested in what you heard in the arguments. Not about right or wrong, just how you think SCOTUS is going to rule.

I still think it will go 9-0 in favour of the ATF but for sure the ban will be upheld after listening to the oral arguments.


A side note on suppressors.

Just had one come back in 10 days from the date finger prints were mailed.

ATF is streamlining the process and there are many getting approved in less than a month.

Speculation from some is that ATF wants to reduce the time for approval because a 1 year wait is obviously going to be a problem in some of the upcoming court cases.

A very long wait is obviously a restriction and the background check is the same one done for purchasing a 22 LR single shot rifle at the local FFL.

I think suppressors should be over the counter but I also live in the real world and don't think the NFA will ever be overturned.

2 gun cases will get rulings this summer. Interesting times.

Got one cleared in +/- 2 months and know of three others at 12 days, 9 days and 7 days in the last 3-4 weeks.

They've got pics of Robert's in his Valentines Day panties.

💝

The intent was checks and balances, to prevent any one branch from running amok. The system works.

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