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Were our nation governed by non-criminals, this would never become a relevant question, because the instant the authorities realized they were dealing with an illegal alien, he'd be in custody till they could return him to his nation of origin, and the carrying of firearms while in custody has always been illegal in the US.

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Yep

This a magic time to be illegal in America.

Not good

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He shouldn't have been here - granted but I have a hard time seeing an Obama appointed, female, black, judge basically saying - IN CHICAGO - that a person (part of the people political community or not) has a constitutional right to keep and bear arms as a bad thing.

“The noncitizen possession statute, 18 U.S.C. § 922(g)(5), violates the Second Amendment as applied to Carbajal-Flores,” Judge Coleman, appointed under President Barack Obama, wrote in her 8-page ruling.

Do I want illegals here and armed? No. Absolutely not but them being armed isn't even in question if they're not here.

Do I want zero infringement on the 2A - absolutely and given a lib dem judge making a ruling with unintended consequences of setting the bar lower for the definition of "infringement" and realizing infringement is unconstitutional - I'll take it. Not a lawyer but this sorta sets the tone - it's basically that any infringement is unconstitutional, - his being an illegal alien is the determining factor for prohibition and thus an "infringement" of the right to keep and bear arms. I can't imagine keeping that genie in a bottle for proving infringement now.

There's no such thing then as a "gun free zone" anymore.

What does question 12c on form 4473 mean? Are you an alien illegally or unlawfully in the US? Can an alien acquire a firearm legally or not?

One can not ignore that Judge Coleman could be a DEI hire.

But doesn't the knock on effect imply anyone is guaranteed the right - based on long standing tradition? Like walking into Montgomery Wards in the 1950's and buying yourself a pistol and a box of shells?

The only right that an illegal alien should have is the right to be quickly deported. When they enter, violating the law, they give up other rights. miles

The fact that this case could even be tried is insane.

I prefer the idea that the right to self defense and the 2A is one from my creator and can't be taken away by a government who can/can not determine if someone counts or not.

Should they be here? No - there's no right to enter the US. That's a separate topic.

A person in the US has a RIGHT to the 2A, endowed from our creator and no government can take that away and this is a good case to point that out. While this person is illegal and this person, technically is a criminal - they still enjoy the right to the 2A while in the US. Now explain how you take the 2A away from someone who isn't.....

So… if a million armed Communist Chinese, crossed the border, we’ll give them a cell phone, put them up in hotels, feed them and tell them “welcome to America” what could go wrong…?
Feel free to substitute Chinese with your choice of country of origin…

2A secures the 1A.

Founders trusted the people more than they trusted govt.

Today, it’s the opposite.

Powers that be have to neutralize the Constitution if we allow that.

Stalin wasn’t worried about the vote, only the counting of the vote.

So it is today.

DF

Valid point, what does the ATF have to say about this ruling...

Illegals can now have firearms...what could go wrong?

Dude

What is their Mission Statement

Hahahaha Hahahaha

Assuming he bought it from a FFL. Surely not the case.
Assuming he "bought" it at all.

Wonder what happens when it's a white guy next ?

Some people are missing the point. He is an alien that has broken the law and defied the Constitution to invade our border illegally. He has no rights as an American Citizen.