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"The welfare of humanity is always the alibi of tyrants".
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He had a smart lawyer, and a judge who followed the law... as written. The U.S. Supreme Court heard and gave its rulings on this twice I believe. The last I believe in 2018 or 2019 involving a person that was an international student here on a F1 visa that had recently expired.
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In reality the BOR is written for all humans. Being born human is all that is needed to be afforded inalienable rights. While our BOR is only recognized inside our borders, it is applicable to all within those borders.
Being illegal and carrying a firearm are two entirely separate issues and should not be conflated.
Keep the illegals out, deport the ones who manage to sneak in. But recognize their basic human rights while they are here. Anything less is simply unAmerican. I agree with you Then why can't those in jail have guns?
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In reality the BOR is written for all humans. Being born human is all that is needed to be afforded inalienable rights. While our BOR is only recognized inside our borders, it is applicable to all within those borders.
Being illegal and carrying a firearm are two entirely separate issues and should not be conflated.
Keep the illegals out, deport the ones who manage to sneak in. But recognize their basic human rights while they are here. Anything less is simply unAmerican. I agree with you Can't find anything to disagree with there, other than a lackluster emphasis on the fact that the first thing that should happen when an illegal is discovered by a US authority is apprehension and deportation, thus making this issue entirely moot. Nothing lackluster about it. It is written in plain English.
People who choose to brew up their own storms bitch loudest about the rain.
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Nothing lackluster about it. It is written in plain English. Just meant I'd have said it with more emphasis.
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In reality the BOR is written for all humans. Being born human is all that is needed to be afforded inalienable rights. While our BOR is only recognized inside our borders, it is applicable to all within those borders.
Being illegal and carrying a firearm are two entirely separate issues and should not be conflated.
Keep the illegals out, deport the ones who manage to sneak in. But recognize their basic human rights while they are here. Anything less is simply unAmerican. I agree with you Then why can't those in jail have guns? Due process of law
Patriotism (and religion) is the last refuge of a scoundrel. Jesus: "Take heed that no man deceive you." Hebrew Roots Judaizer
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Nothing lackluster about it. It is written in plain English. Just meant I'd have said it with more emphasis. I would have said it with more emphasis also, had I said it. But I wrote it. The keyboard has no volume control.
People who choose to brew up their own storms bitch loudest about the rain.
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Well hell! If they can carry a gun, the constitution also says they can vote! I believe the qualifications for voting is a state issue. Back before the 19th amendment an individual state such as Wyoming could allow women to vote when they couldn't in other states. States decide who can vote.
Patriotism (and religion) is the last refuge of a scoundrel. Jesus: "Take heed that no man deceive you." Hebrew Roots Judaizer
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Nothing lackluster about it. It is written in plain English. Just meant I'd have said it with more emphasis. I would have said it with more emphasis also, had I said it. But I wrote it. The keyboard has no volume control. LOL. You typed it.
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In reality the BOR is written for all humans. Being born human is all that is needed to be afforded inalienable rights. While our BOR is only recognized inside our borders, it is applicable to all within those borders.
Being illegal and carrying a firearm are two entirely separate issues and should not be conflated.
Keep the illegals out, deport the ones who manage to sneak in. But recognize their basic human rights while they are here. Anything less is simply unAmerican. I agree with you Then why can't those in jail have guns? Because they're in jail. Once they've served their time/paid their debt to society and are again free, they have the same right and interest in self preservation as anyone else. Of course the gov't says no, a convicted felon has lost that right but they've been twisting and lying about the 2nd to suit for eons. If we are to argue the right to arms/self defense is an inalienable, God given right, then every living soul walking this earth has it, regardles of what goverenments may say.
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We shouldn't offer constitutional rights to non citizens or illegals.
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We shouldn't offer constitutional rights to non citizens or illegals. Maybe so, but that might require an amendment specifying what rights are reserved for citizens of the USA. At the time the constitution was written the citizens considered themselves citizens of their respective states more than they did the U.S. We might ought not go down the road of disqualifying certain people the right to be armed unless maybe as punishment for a crime of violence. And that disqualification is already in play. Unless you want the whole camel in the tent it would be wise to not to let him get his nose in.
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Another step closer to their "right" to vote.
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We shouldn't offer constitutional rights to non citizens or illegals. Maybe so, but that might require an amendment specifying what rights are reserved for citizens of the USA. At the time the constitution was written the citizens considered themselves citizens of their respective states more than they did the U.S. We might ought not go down the road of disqualifying certain people the right to be armed unless maybe as punishment for a crime of violence. And that disqualification is already in play. Unless you want the whole camel in the tent it would be wise to not to let him get his nose in. Certainly makes a mockery of the 4473 and background checks.
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Another step closer to their "right" to vote. Tell me something. Can you find any prohibition in the U.S. constitution that would stop a state from allowing non citizens the right to vote?
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Unreal. This is the state trying its damn best to make resident gun owners felons because they have a black rifle, big magazine or threaded barrel. Also, nonresident aliens can now become police officers. Think about this: an armed nonresident alien police officer arrests you for having a legally purchased semiauto AR15 that you didn't register during the required time period. Or a Walter PPK/S 22 that has a threaded barrel. That is Illinois, land of Lincoln and multiple jailed governors. The gleeful arrest of a US citizen for possessing a firearm wouldn't require an illegal alien in a police uniform.
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We shouldn't offer constitutional rights to non citizens or illegals. Maybe so, but that might require an amendment specifying what rights are reserved for citizens of the USA. At the time the constitution was written the citizens considered themselves citizens of their respective states more than they did the U.S. We might ought not go down the road of disqualifying certain people the right to be armed unless maybe as punishment for a crime of violence. And that disqualification is already in play. Unless you want the whole camel in the tent it would be wise to not to let him get his nose in. Certainly makes a mockery of the 4473 and background checks. You mean 2 infringements against the 2A?
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In reality the BOR is written for all humans. Being born human is all that is needed to be afforded inalienable rights. While our BOR is only recognized inside our borders, it is applicable to all within those borders.
Being illegal and carrying a firearm are two entirely separate issues and should not be conflated.
Keep the illegals out, deport the ones who manage to sneak in. But recognize their basic human rights while they are here. Anything less is simply unAmerican. I agree with you Then why can't those in jail have guns? Can those in jail come and go as they please? Or are you wanting life for citizens to be more like being in jail with not being able to move about as a restriction?
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We shouldn't offer constitutional rights to non citizens or illegals. .gov doesn't create rights.
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I’d rather illegals have gun rights than most my neighbors have voting rights.
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