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Winchester 43 in 22 Hornet with a Weaver K6. 100 yd. 10 shot groups under 1" consistently, with the occasional flyer, using Winchester 46gr factory hp. Wont shoot the Remington 45 gr SP worth beans. Go figure. when I started using Blue Dot to shoot ground squirrels, I ended up with about 2000 of those 46 grain HP bullets that I got for about $60. the load was 12.5 grains of Blue Dot with Small Pistol primers. I tried the load out first with the Small Pistol primer and it shot small tiny groups, so that is what I used with it. Sent a lot of sage rats to the alfalfa fields of sage rat heaven with those bullets... Got another batch for a little more than the first 2000 I paid $60 for.... They shot awfully well with Blue Dot also. Those bullets were nothing special to look at... not 'bad ass' looking or anything... But by Gosh did they work real well and were accurate as hell. Still got some of them around here somewhere.... but I think I went thru about 8 or 10K of them, for he cheap price of $60 to $75 for 2000 each. Did the job with high precision, from 50 yds out to 300 pretty consistently... and sure made a mess out of a ground squirrel.
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I have had more rifles fail to impress...
But #1 would be a CZ Varmint in 17HMR. Have shot multiple 100 yard, 10 shot, sub MOA groups with it.
#2 would an original Remington stainless synthetic mountain rifle circa 1992. Burned the first barrel out, which was finicky and could never get to published velocities without pressure.
My first trip to the range with a new barrel impressed. I shot multiple sub MOA groups while doing load development. At published velocities I might add. Rifle has continued to be very precise, and accurate when I do my part.
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I have a big heavy .260 that is literally more accurate than I. If the groups open to a half inch for three , Its me . When I check the zero at 100 yds. I take a target and draw on it with a a pen to get the zero wanted for long range and dialing . I have had 5 shot groups that were an inch with three different sight settings to get my zero proper for distance work. Best group shot with the rifle in my hands was one day one the prairie in fairly calm steady conditions ,it held three shots , centered on target into 3.5" . Shoot while laying prone with bipod and good rear bag at 980 yds. I may not be able to repeat it, but the gun is capable. It is not surprising though because a lot of effort and care has went into this gun, And I baby it .
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2019 I bought a NIB Remington 700 SPS .223 to use as a donor. I had 8 hand loads of .223 left from another rifle that had gone down the road, shot three to get it on, moved target out to 100, and it put the next 5 under an inch. Went to loading bench, loaded up 20 more, and it shot 10 under an inch. I since put a Trigger Tech trigger on it, which along with load development has made it a sub moa rifle.
Never shoot the donor.
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In a hunting rifle, accuracy is what really counts. Precision means nothing without accuracy, the ability to hit what’s aimed at, precisely where it needs to be hit, with the first shot or two. That being the goal, this TCR 83 Aristocrat in .30-06 proved meaningfully accurate in a somewhat surprising, meat promising way, with only two shots fired from a cold bore to check its zero: No more shots were fired from that rifle that day, as those two certainly seemed sufficient. The 18 rounds remaining in that box were saved for potentially more important targets. I always appreciate the folks who differentiate between precision and accuracy--bu the two major references on the English language, The Oxford English Dictionary for British English, and the various editions of Webster’s Unabridged Dictionary for the American dialect, list “accuracy” and “precision” as synonyms, meaning exactly the same thing. The differentiation between precision and accuracy is a form of jargon--which the OED defines as "special words or expressions that are used by a particular profession or group." Exchipy shows a great example of accuracy vs. precision. Accuracy is hitting what you are aiming at, and he did that well. This is an example that demonstrates the difference between the 2: The guy showing a pic of a one hole group, but not hitting what he's aiming at, is a great example of "precision" of the rifle, because of the tight group. However, that's not the same thing as "accuracy". Trying to bend the words to suit ones own needs, is what's wrong with this f'd up world. Some of us tire of that woke kind of bs... Just as some of us tire of this sort of pedantic bull crap. GD
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Yes. It’s more about the Indian and not the arrow. A good hunter can get dinner with his bare hands if needed.
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I have a .45-70 Marlin Guide Gun that I chopped to 16" that will, or would shoot 100 yard clover leafs. That with a 2x scout scope. Never tried 5 round groups as I thought it irrelevant to its actual use. I say would because I don't know that I could shoot it as well today, my eyes and hands hove betrayed me. This thread did make me think of my dad's 99 in .308 It'll put one right where you want it. And the next one right next to it. If you try for three, it'll be an inch or two away. 4 & 5 will open you up to a nice 4-5 inch group.
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OK, I wasn't going to answer, but here goes. I'm Remington lucky I guess. But have at least 3 that group 5 shots under a half inch.
But one should fall into the "Unusual Accuracy" category. A 20" pencil barrel M7 in 223 with a 3-9 compact scope. My truck gun. I've won money with the damn thing when guys start braggin about their varmint rifles. I don't even want or need it anymore, but can't make myself sell a rifle that accurate.
There's good factory rifles out there, guess ya gotta sort through the not so good ones to find them.
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one time i bought a Remington m700 Mountain rifle in '06 that it's smallest group was 1 1/2" at 100 yards (3 shots/bench). it would be 4 or 5" for 5 shots. i did many different powders and bullets and it was not accurate. 3 to 4" group at 100 yards were average. altho 1 or 2 feet at 100 yards would come up every once in a while. i did everything, scope and mounts were changed, bedded it, change to a synthetic stock, did the bore scope thing and everything was fine, looked at the crown and i didn't find nothing wrong...it was just inaccurate.
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