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Nice church tikkanut…! 👊🏻

Thanx......you're correct

Wake up to this and say.....

'Must be a God'

I go to 'Church' often......

Bart Ehrman was still a Christian when that was recorded.

You like to focus on 4 gospels, but in total we have portions, or complete copies of over 60 gospels and know of another 40+ from citations from other written works. It's interesting how you don't accept the other 96+ and their fantastical tales, but this is part of the evidentiary fabric regarding the historical reliability of gospels.

Words have meaning.

You are intentionally conflation words with different meanings to confuse the point.

He was STILL a world renowned expert on the New Testament manuscripts in their ORIGINAL language too.

Words have meaning.

You are intentionally conflation words with different meanings to confuse the point.

And he still is today.

Bart Ehrman did NOT lose his faith because of anything IN the Bible or because of anything ABOUT the Bible. He has made that abundantly clear. Bart Ehrman lost his faith because he couldn’t resolve a good and loving God with the pain and suffering in the world. He has made that abundantly clear as well.

One he lost his faith, he THEN went looking for ‘proof’ and reasons to substantiate his new beliefs ~ a crystal clear case of confirmation bias.

Why Bart lost his faith was not part of my argument, just his scholarship, and the clip I chose was from his days as a Christian, so you're arguing with yourself.

Kindly explain how a punch in the mouth is an appropriate response to speech that you decide is rude.

It was part of mine. His clear confirmation bias after he lost his faith is an important consideration.Hardly. As Bart Ehrman concedes to this very day, there is a staggeringly large amount of evidence to suggest that Jesus clearly existed.

I don't believe that's an accurate representation of his position, and even if it was, that's fine, he and I can have different interpretations of the implication of the facts at hand. Either way, the 4 gospels remain anonymous works.

Of course you don’t. You’ve arrived at your beliefs based on what you find attractive; your beliefs have zero to do with proof.And you and I can have different interpretations of the implications of the facts at hand as well.

There’s NO WAY that you can be certain that Homer was the actual author of the Iliad. And there’s NO WAY that you can be certain that Herodotus was the actual author of History. And there’s NO WAY that you can be certain that Plato was the actual author of Tetralogies. And there’s NO WAY that you can be certain that Caesar was the actual author of Gallic Wars.

Incidentally, Iliad was written in 800 BC and the earliest manuscript we have dates to 400 BC. That’s a time gap of 400 years…! And History was written between 480 - 425 BC and the earliest manuscript we have dates to the 10th century. That’s a time gap of 1,350 years…! And Tetralogies was written in 400 BC and the earliest manuscript we have dates to 895. That’s a time gap of 1,300 years…! And Gallic Wars was written between 100 - 44 BC and the earliest manuscript we have dates to the 9th century. That’s a time gap of 950 years…!

The New Testament was written between 50 - 100 AD and the earliest manuscript we have dates to no later than 130 AD. That’s a time gap of 40 years.

Absolutely Yes!

Well, there's rude then there's punch in the mouth rude. Not too hard to tell the difference around here. The first one will just get rude back, the second one gets you knocked on your ass.

Meh...the gospels are anonymous and not eyewitness accounts. You're trying to invent credibility to your case by using an invalid comparison - you must be weak in your faith to flounder with failed attempts at reasonable justification.

LOL!!! Another Class Clown fail. If you'd spent less time being a wanker you may have achieved something purposeful in your life - being a troll must suck.

Careful, don't get any of this on you, Daddy Satan won't be happy.

https://coldcasechristianity.com/writings/the-apostles-wrote-the-gospels-as-eyewitness-accounts/

I'm going to throw a wrench into this whole mess.

I'm not just a copy cat believer in God and Jesus and the Holy Spirit like so many so-called christians. I've had PLENTY of time under a welding hood to ponder things over the last 40 years burning wire, including this subject.

I believe in spiritual destiny. That being everyone of us is here for a reason and on the exact path we are supposed to follow. The good, the bad, the indifferent, and the downright evil m'effers. Everything, and everyone is interconnected and what we do with our lives matters to those we come in contact with, however that is across the span of our lives. Maybe we don't see it, maybe we will never even know it, but it all matters. When God's Grace happens, and good things are bestowed upon us, or someone else, we are supposed to recognize it and be grateful. When something bad happens, we are supposed to look at it, in it, around it, for something, anything that has meaning to our own individual existence here, and do what we can to help those that have been hurt.

If you can't fathom any of that with an open free thinking mind, without it being spelled out in every minute detail ad nauseum, then you need to go spend your own 40 years under a welding hood. Your existence here, and the life you are living, is not random, or irrelevant.

I also believe this Great Nation was founded with Divine Providence. How else could a rag tag bunch of farmers defeat the most powerful and well funded military force on the planet, and go on to devise the best and most fair system of self governance ever thought up in the history of mankind. That was squarely the hand of God.

I am perfectly content with my beliefs.