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I would pick the 88mm Remchester Express. It can take down a B-17 and also is good for grouse and black-tailed deer.
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I was thinking recently about what makes a successful cartridge and how many Remington and Winchester had to their company. My definition of success would mean there are still new rifles available for purchase for this chambering and you can still buy factory ammo for it from more than one company.
Here is my list:
Remington
223 Remington
22-250 Remington
44 Remington Magnum
7mm Remington Magnum
Winchester
22 WMR
22 Hornet
243 Winchester
270 Winchester
30-30 Winchester
308 Winchester
300 Winchester Magnum
350 Legend
357 Magnum
What others have I forgotten or would you add to the list? Fixed it. https://www.americanrifleman.org/content/the-357-magnum-history-performance/
What fresh Hell is this?
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.338 Win Mag. Lots of 35 Rem rifles out there as well It’s a shame that the .35 has fallen on such hard times. It deserves a spot on the list or an exception for the straight-wall states where it’s been excluded though ballistically just about perfect.
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357 is not Remington. It is S&W
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17 rem I love all of those cartridges too, but you can't find a new gun in one now. A lot of new rifles not available in some cartridges introduced in just the last 25sh years. Funny how fast some cartridges came and went. 7mm STW was one that folks around here were hot on for quite a while. WSM chambering were the same. The 7mm WSM was the best of the original 3 but faded first. Remington branded cartridges don't seem to do as good as Winchester. Ruger cartridges came along too late to be serious contenders. If Hornady has made factory ammo when a cartridge was introduced they have done pretty good except for a few odd balls. Some old ones just hang on.
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I was thinking recently about what makes a successful cartridge and how many Remington and Winchester had to their company. My definition of success would mean there are still new rifles available for purchase for this chambering and you can still buy factory ammo for it from more than one company.
Here is my list:
Remington
223 Remington
22-250 Remington
44 Remington Magnum
7mm Remington Magnum
Winchester
22 WMR
22 Hornet
243 Winchester
270 Winchester
30-30 Winchester
308 Winchester
300 Winchester Magnum
350 Legend
357 Magnum
What others have I forgotten or would you add to the list? Fixed it. https://www.americanrifleman.org/content/the-357-magnum-history-performance/Oops! Looks like Winchester has the better legacy for sure.
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257 Remington Roberts
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17 rem I love all of those cartridges too, but you can't find a new gun in one now. A lot of new rifles not available in some cartridges introduced in just the last 25sh years. Funny how fast some cartridges came and went. 7mm STW was one that folks around here were hot on for quite a while. WSM chambering were the same. The 7mm WSM was the best of the original 3 but faded first. Remington branded cartridges don't seem to do as good as Winchester. Ruger cartridges came along too late to be serious contenders. If Hornady has made factory ammo when a cartridge was introduced they have done pretty good except for a few odd balls. Some old ones just hang on. I agree with everything you said. I will add that I think Hornady’s PRC’s will end the WSM’s.
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I would like to see the 17 WSM or 17 Hornet get a good hold.
Very good rounds around farms and building due to minimal ricochets.
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I would like to see the 17 WSM or 17 Hornet get a good hold.
Very good rounds around farms and building due to minimal ricochets. I am with you. I have had a 17 Hornet and truly love the cartridge. What makes me scratch my head is why the 17 HMR is the most popular of the 17 offerings?
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I would like to see the 17 WSM or 17 Hornet get a good hold.
Very good rounds around farms and building due to minimal ricochets. I am with you. I have had a 17 Hornet and truly love the cartridge. What makes me scratch my head is why the 17 HMR is the most popular of the 17 offerings? It came out at the right time. I have one in the truck at all times. Good from tiny critters to coyotes for me. My Mach 2 was a dandy also. Wish I had that one back.
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I'd add 44 WCF to the Winchester list. It's been around 151 years, there's still multiple guns being chambered in it, and factory ammo available. If that's not a successful cartridge, I don't know what is.
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284 Win. holds more powder than a 308 and sends the same size bullet out the muzzle faster. While I totally agree that it's a very effective chambering, if the criteria is "successful", I don't think it qualifies. Try to find a rifle in that round, then try to find ammo for it. The 284 never had much success judging by models offered or sold. Or ammo selection. Factories have taken the Walmart approach, only making the guns that will move quick. That started 20years ago. Gone are the days of the 700 BDL coming in 222, 223,...243, 6mm,..... with a list of 20 calibers. Varmint guns in 30-06. Now it's like Walmart. IDGAS what you want, if you are buying a rifle, these are your choices. At the same time, we have more varieties of brands and specs than ever. Especially if you want a black or ammo short action. 223, 6.5 miracle, or 308.
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284 Win. holds more powder than a 308 and sends the same size bullet out the muzzle faster. While I totally agree that it's a very effective chambering, if the criteria is "successful", I don't think it qualifies. Try to find a rifle in that round, then try to find ammo for it. The 284 never had much success judging by models offered or sold. Or ammo selection. Factories have taken the Walmart approach, only making the guns that will move quick. That started 20years ago. Gone are the days of the 700 BDL coming in 222, 223,...243, 6mm,..... with a list of 20 calibers. Varmint guns in 30-06. Now it's like Walmart. IDGAS what you want, if you are buying a rifle, these are your choices. At the same time, we have more varieties of brands and specs than ever. Especially if you want a black or ammo short action. 223, 6.5 miracle, or 308. Just looked at a new BDL in 243 a month ago. A 30-06 varmint rifle was a very rare thing. I did have a Savage 110 FP Tactical in 30-06 though.
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A great cartridge that Remington dropped when they introduced the 260 was the 6mm.
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I just wish modern shooters would realize how great the 222 Rem is and not just the 223s little brother. I have three and it is one of my all time favorite predator hunting cartridges.
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Who is building factory rifles or loading ammunition for it right now? Not sure it was even successful while 94s were being produced and Winchester was loading ammo. A pretty big flop. About like a 7-30 Waters. Same could be said for 308 ME or 338 ME. Same for 356 Win.
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Who is building factory rifles or loading ammunition for it right now? Not sure it was even successful while 94s were being produced and Winchester was loading ammo. A pretty big flop. About like a 7-30 Waters. Same could be said for 308 ME or 338 ME. Same for 356 Win. Ya I know a dude with a 308 me it was bad ass to him at the time he’d been better off with a 30-30 or 308
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I would pick the 88mm Remchester Express. It can take down a B-17 and also is good for grouse and black-tailed deer. Exactly^^^ About as good of an answer to this thread as any...
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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307 was that big a flop not even Marlin got in on the act
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