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You already mentioned other countries and they oppose their own citizens being armed which is very much inline with what the crowd in New York City vote for.

So...

How are police going to know if someone is a citizen and allowed to be armed?

How will a citizen have to prove it?

What arms do you want prohibited for non le US citizens?

Where do you want non le US citizens prohibited from possessing arms?


And a really good question, how was this guy armed prior to the ruling?

I agree, Joel. But it's almost like that's a rhetorical question these days, or in jest.

It's not in jest, we know why Americans are targeted. This guy broke the law by being in this country and obtained a firearm. How? Why wasn't that in question?

Alot of questions on the double standards in this

I understand you didn't propose the question in jest. I'm saying that is how it is often viewed or interpreted.

And, I agree. Why wasn't the fact that the guy was in the country illegally to begin with questioned and how did he source the weapon???!!!

Things are fixing to get rowdy in this country. Everybody is going to need guns and lots of ammo and a strong will to hold on to your weapons.

Some of the border crossers are ending up in urban environments where tensions are already ramping up due to the vanguard of Hispanics already there and now their numbers are being augmented by new arrivals putting the squeeze on the black ghettos. Blacks already don't much like having been pushed out of second place by Latin Americans so that could easily get more violent.

Those of us out in rural areas could be targeted for home invasions and auto theft by newly arrived dreamers. I could see 8 or 10 dreamers doing recon an picking out a relatively isolated house to pillage.

If 2020 is any gauge we will soon have the Democratic shock troops rioting and looting which could easily degenerate into a complete breakdown of civil order.

In a quick search, I didn't find any free record that might say how he got the pistol. All possibilities I saw said "Buy from Pacer."

I did find the pistol description.

HERIBERTO CARBAJAL-FLORE S,
defendant herein, knowing that he was an alien illegally and unlawfully in the United
States, did knowingly possess, in and affecting interstate and foreign commerce, a
firearm, namely, a loaded Raven Arms MP-25 .25 caliber semi-automatic pistol
bearing serial number 649179, which firearm had travelled in interstate commerce
prior to defendant's possession of the firearm;
In violation of Title 18, United States Code, Section 922(g)(5)(A).

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.ilnd.389849/gov.uscourts.ilnd.389849.1.0.pdf

Bruce

Had friends that moved there in the 70's.

Didn't make it more than a couple of years. Missed home as I recall.

"Interstate commerce" is how they claim control of everything. They say that virtually EVERYTHING "affects interstate commerce", therefore, they have the power to regulate it.

Was the man in question a convicted felon?

Was the gun stolen? As some want to claim?

It would be real nice if they would overturn the bull schitt denial of rights after a misdemeanor conviction of domestic violence.

Not that I have any use for men who smack women or kids around. They are the lowest of lowlife. Slightly above pedophiles. But still, it is a misdemeanor.

And a clarification on my opinion of illegal aliens: They SHOULD be kept out. And any who slip through the cracks SHOULD be put out.

Exactly.

I do think many of those stating agitation about this court decision have less concern about illegal aliens than they do about the 2A as a recognized right.

My stance is that the only rights that someone sneaking in (or boldly coming) into this country has, in violation of the law, is to be exported as quickly as possible. Instead of being put in prison or possibly executed. miles

They seem to have more rights than citizens lately, so deportation won't happen

You right they do seem to have more rights than citizens, the majority of them are here to stay and more on the way.

Has anything been mentioned that 2A rights aren't recognized for US citizens?

That has historically been the case with less agitation than this case has produced.

It is always brought up that this is considered a God Given Right, and the Bill Of Rights just confirms it. If this be true, then this right is world wide, and they can celebrate it in their home country. It is also brought up a lot, by people, that by their own admission, don't believe in God. Same people that always want Sunday and Christmas off from work. miles

Maine's Constitution states:

"Every citizen has the right to keep and bear arms and this right shall never be questioned."

This pre-dates any fedral gun laws as it was approved by Congress in 1820. To my mind this maintains the 10th Amendment to the Constitution of the United States' relenquishment of power to the State, and nullifies any State law abhorrent to the Maine Constitution.

I am a firm believer anyone who is let out of prison should have all their rights restored. If they are too dangerous to have a gun in there hand after serving a sentence, why did you let them out?

In theory, I agree with you but in reality how many return to the system ? Our court and corrections system is a joke.