It looks like each plane can carry about 90 tons of ordinance. Dumb bombs, smart bombs, cruise missiles, whatever? Times 13....that's going to leave a mark somewhere.
Heck, the TU 95 is even older than the B 52.
90 tons, LOL! Try 12 tons.
I was thinking that 90 tons couldn’t be right. That would be an insane number.
Hitler didn't even want war with Great Britain. He was desperate for a peace deal with them which involved nothing more than ceasing hostilities between them, but Churchill would have none of it. Churchill could have easily saved Britain by merely ceasing hostilities against Germany. Instead, he aligned with Jewish influence to bring the US into it against Germany.
Read Churchill's War by David Irving.
Revisionist History!
If Hitler did not want war with England, he should have kept his ass out of nations with which England held mutual defense treaties.
People who choose to brew up their own storms bitch loudest about the rain.
Boomers can't help themselves, they are giddy for WWIII and destruction of the planet. A pathetic generation they are..
If anybody really wanted WWIII and MAD, we would have had it long ago.
A boomer's boomer once advised that to see peace, one must prepare for war.
If that scares you, then you need to grow up.
You don't know what you don't yet know. Boomers do know what you don't yet know.
But hey, why learn from somebody else.
Yes, the old war will give us peace bullchit. So when does this peace come? As long as the US is a thing, the world will never have peace. We create death and destruction all over the world. Been doin it long before i wqs born
Prior to WWII, the US tried the isolationist strategy. Small military, limited interventions. Didn't work so well. Humans have been fighting and killing each other since the beginning of time. It's just in us. We're tribal like that. And humans certainly have no monopoly on competition/killing for resources.
You want to be the weakest kid on the block and see what happens? I don't.
This. If we had not mobilized for war in 1941, everyone East of the Rockies would be speaking German and saluting statues of Adolf, while those of us in the west would be speaking Japanese and worshiping the god-emperor of Japan.
Those few of us allowed to live anyway.
Without US intervention, Hitler would have soon turned the full man power and manufacturing capability of Russia against England and America. Germany already had strong foot holds in Mexico and South America.
Without Us intervention, Japan would have done the same with Chinese resources. Australia would have succumbed quickly. Japan was already building bases in Alaska and would have leap frogged those bases on to Canada and US.
That is not to say that US military excursions done since 1950 are fully justified. But we see today the effects Socialism is having on our nation, despite doing everything we could to battle that trend across the globe.
China has been drooling over our Alaskan oil reserves for decades. The only thing protecting our resources is our military capabilities.
That is the dumbest schit ever posted on this board. Hitler couldn’t even muster enough force or will to invade England BEFOREwe got into the war, but you think he was going to take three quarters of the USA.
..............I would have to say that I think interventionism has been a failure.
(And to everyone who analogizes about bullies. Bullies pick on pussies. Sorry, but someone had to explain it to you.)
It's quite likely that 'thinking' isn't your strong suit.
There will always be two sides to things. Choose wisely.
So, our strong overseas adventures are gonna protect us from being over run? That's was the position you stated earlier, right? I don't want to misconstrue what you said.
But I think I'll stick with my thoughts on the matter, since virtually every thing you've stated should be a benefit of interventionism is not happening in the world today.
Hitler didn't even want war with Great Britain. He was desperate for a peace deal with them which involved nothing more than ceasing hostilities between them, but Churchill would have none of it. Churchill could have easily saved Britain by merely ceasing hostilities against Germany. Instead, he aligned with Jewish influence to bring the US into it against Germany.
Read Churchill's War by David Irving.
Hitler knew that the UK had pledged to go to war with Germany if they invaded Poland. Maybe he thought that they were bluffing and that PM Chamberlain would back down like he did with the Munich Agreement after Germany annexed the Sudetenland portion of Czechoslovakia. If Hitler hadn't wanted to go to war with the UK, he wouldn't have invaded Poland. By appeasing Hitler, the UK and French emboldened Hitler to keep breaking the terms of the Versailles Treaty and annexing neighboring countries.
Hitler didn't even want war with Great Britain. He was desperate for a peace deal with them which involved nothing more than ceasing hostilities between them, but Churchill would have none of it. Churchill could have easily saved Britain by merely ceasing hostilities against Germany.
Read Churchill's War by David Irving.
Maybe even helped Hitler out by rounding up some British Jews, eh TRH?
Appeasing Evil is always the plan for the weak.
Standing up to Evil sure is not for everyone.
Originally Posted by Tyrone
Minding one's own business is not appeasement.
Originally Posted by JohnBurns
Quite litterally appeasement when dealing with EVIL.
Your type would let goons on the street rob little old ladies while shuffling along mumbling "none of my business".
Originally Posted by gunchamp
Yes you dumb f ucking pile of fat chit. I wouldnt help an old women in need because im against sending my child off to die for absolutely no reason other than thats what the deep state wants and the retarded boomers who have no clue and still think its the 60s and russia is commie lmao
This post is a prime example of irrational thought process.
First, if the poster does not want his child fighting then he can forbid his child from entering Millitary service. Pretty easy fix.
Next we all know this is a thread about Ukraine and the Orcs and the discussion is about providing aid to Ukraine, not sending the posters child to die. But because of his irrational thinking he has created a straw man to argue a different point because he know he has lost this point.
The Orcs are threating the USA with Nukes so whether we call them Commies or Orcs has no bearing on the EVIL threat. Some here want to roll over and show their belly to the Orc in the hopes of appeasement.
Others with a bit of world knowledge and understanding of history know that won't bring peace. Strength brings peace.
John Burns
I have all the sources. They can't stop the signal.
As to great Britain speaking German, again, couldn't care less. The case could be made that the terms at the end of ww1 led to the economic situation that resulted in the nazi party coming to power. If the allies had been more interested in trade than they were in vengeance, ww2 might have never happened. )
You are so charmingly naive.
Had Britain fallen, Russia would have fallen. Soon thereafter, Japan and Germany would have divided up the rest of the world, Asia, Africa. More Lebensraum in South America, which would have left North America the lone democracy standing.
Would you care, then?
Originally Posted by Dutch
Originally Posted by dassa
As to great Britain speaking German, again, couldn't care less. The case could be made that the terms at the end of ww1 led to the economic situation that resulted in the nazi party coming to power. If the allies had been more interested in trade than they were in vengeance, ww2 might have never happened. )
You are so charmingly naive.
Had Britain fallen, Russia would have fallen. Soon thereafter, Japan and Germany would have divided up the rest of the world, Asia, Africa. More Lebensraum in South America, which would have left North America the lone democracy standing.
Would you care, then?
Had either one of them tried to invade the Americas, we should have been involved. And if they had invaded, they would have had to figure out how to get an army across the ocean without being annihilated.
But again, please explain how our overseas involvement has prevented what many of you seem to far the most: the invasion of our homeland?
Boomers can't help themselves, they are giddy for WWIII and destruction of the planet. A pathetic generation they are..
If anybody really wanted WWIII and MAD, we would have had it long ago.
A boomer's boomer once advised that to see peace, one must prepare for war.
If that scares you, then you need to grow up.
You don't know what you don't yet know. Boomers do know what you don't yet know.
But hey, why learn from somebody else.
Yes, the old war will give us peace bullchit. So when does this peace come? As long as the US is a thing, the world will never have peace. We create death and destruction all over the world. Been doin it long before i wqs born
Nobody says "war will give us peace."
Being prepared for war encourages peace, because there are repercussions to adventurism.
Nothing is perfect. As Plato D. Boomer observed long ago, "only the dead have seen the end of war."
Also, as Adolph Boomer said to the appeaser Neville Chamberlain, "thanks sucker. Just the tip."
You forget Putin is a boomer.
You don't know what you don't know, either. But they do.
Im all for being prepared. Im all for an extremely strong military. Not the joke we currently have.
But...but....Diversity is Our Greatest Strength!!! Waving rainbow flags on duty and promoting f ags/unqualified women/etc. makes our .mil Super-duper stronger!!!
I have no desire to get over run. But that could be accomplished with a strong military, that stayed at home and protected opine own borders, rather than being deployed around the world and often being used to cause more problems than it solved.
As to your sarcastic comment concerning world peace before the US, I couldn't care less if every other country fought itself to death. The US was at peace until we adopted the role of world police.
As far as being over run like a pu$sy a$s country, have you seen the recent news from Texas?
The reason you could care less is because you enjoy the fruits from the labor of those that did care. It's easy to sit on your couch here in the USA because the USA has done the work to establish wide spread trade and peace. You're just to dumb and lazy to understand how the world works and watch your imported TV while typing on your imported computer safe from an invading horde of Orcs.
By establishing the way to trade with the Reserve Dollar the USA taxes the world in exchange for making world wide trade feasible.
Those who whine and whimper and want the USA to be isolationist will be whining and whimpering at a much higher pitch if they ever got their wish.
As other have said the southern border is just one example of showing weakness for which you advocate.
Originally Posted by dassa
Holy [bleep], you're stupid. In the very post you quoted, I talked about protecting our southern border, instead of waiting time in Ukraine.
Your appeal to weakness invites situations like the invasion on the southern border. Strong USA policy stops that kind of problem.
Trump stopped the flood through strong policy, intervention works. Fact.
Good Lord! learn to read. Did you miss the part where I talked about having a strong military? That stayed home and protected our own borders? It was right there in my post?
Hitler didn't even want war with Great Britain. He was desperate for a peace deal with them which involved nothing more than ceasing hostilities between them, but Churchill would have none of it. Churchill could have easily saved Britain by merely ceasing hostilities against Germany.
Read Churchill's War by David Irving.
Maybe even helped Hitler out by rounding up some British Jews, eh TRH?
Appeasing Evil is always the plan for the weak.
Standing up to Evil sure is not for everyone.
Originally Posted by Tyrone
Minding one's own business is not appeasement.
Quite litterally appeasement when dealing with EVIL.
Your type would let goons on the street rob little old ladies while shuffling along mumbling "none of my business".
Yes you dumb f ucking pile of fat chit. I wouldnt help an old women in need because im against sending my child off to die for absolutely no reason other than thats what the deep state wants and the retarded boomers who have no clue and still think its the 60s and russia is commie lmao
Russia will be a virtual dictatorship as long as president for life Putin is alive, but if that is what the Russian people want, that is what they should have.
I have no desire to get over run. But that could be accomplished with a strong military, that stayed at home and protected opine own borders, rather than being deployed around the world and often being used to cause more problems than it solved.
As to your sarcastic comment concerning world peace before the US, I couldn't care less if every other country fought itself to death. The US was at peace until we adopted the role of world police.
As far as being over run like a pu$sy a$s country, have you seen the recent news from Texas?
Spot on. Why theee clowns cant see this is beyond me
There seems to be a crew of them that are so worried about not being involved in every one else's problems, that they overlook the fact that their very fears are currently coming true.
Boomers can't help themselves, they are giddy for WWIII and destruction of the planet. A pathetic generation they are..
If anybody really wanted WWIII and MAD, we would have had it long ago.
A boomer's boomer once advised that to see peace, one must prepare for war.
If that scares you, then you need to grow up.
You don't know what you don't yet know. Boomers do know what you don't yet know.
But hey, why learn from somebody else.
Yes, the old war will give us peace bullchit. So when does this peace come? As long as the US is a thing, the world will never have peace. We create death and destruction all over the world. Been doin it long before i wqs born
We've had peace with Japan and Western Germany since 1945.
Your policies got us into the war. A brutal application of overwhelming force that didn't stop until we achieved unconditional surrender is a good part of the reason the peace has held.
What policy is mine? Not starting endless wars and stop causing chaos around the world? I like that one. You should too.
Are you not an isolationist?
I understand there are times that we would need to be involved in things around the world, so no, im not an isolationist in the long game. For the current time, we need to be more on the isolationist side of things. Our country is broken. Almost completely lost. We have so many issues here that deserves our full attention and if we dont give it, we are done. I am 100% against war with russia in any way. I dont give a chit about israel or palestine. They can sort their own chit out. China is going to be a huge problem at some point, but refer to my original point that if we dont fix our current issues here , it wont matter because we wont have a country.
I have no desire to get over run. But that could be accomplished with a strong military, that stayed at home and protected opine own borders, rather than being deployed around the world and often being used to cause more problems than it solved.
As to your sarcastic comment concerning world peace before the US, I couldn't care less if every other country fought itself to death. The US was at peace until we adopted the role of world police.
As far as being over run like a pu$sy a$s country, have you seen the recent news from Texas?
Spot on. Why theee clowns cant see this is beyond me
There seems to be a crew of them that are so worried about not being involved in every one else's problems, that they overlook the fact that their very fears are currently coming true.
Exactly. Every reason these guys give for us being involved in everyones business is happening or has happened to us. We have caused death every day around the world and our country is just about done. So glad we wasted all of those american lives
As to great Britain speaking German, again, couldn't care less. The case could be made that the terms at the end of ww1 led to the economic situation that resulted in the nazi party coming to power. If the allies had been more interested in trade than they were in vengeance, ww2 might have never happened. )
You are so charmingly naive.
Had Britain fallen, Russia would have fallen. Soon thereafter, Japan and Germany would have divided up the rest of the world, Asia, Africa. More Lebensraum in South America, which would have left North America the lone democracy standing.
Would you care, then?
Originally Posted by Dutch
Originally Posted by dassa
As to great Britain speaking German, again, couldn't care less. The case could be made that the terms at the end of ww1 led to the economic situation that resulted in the nazi party coming to power. If the allies had been more interested in trade than they were in vengeance, ww2 might have never happened. )
You are so charmingly naive.
Had Britain fallen, Russia would have fallen. Soon thereafter, Japan and Germany would have divided up the rest of the world, Asia, Africa. More Lebensraum in South America, which would have left North America the lone democracy standing.
Would you care, then?
Had either one of them tried to invade the Americas, we should have been involved. And if they had invaded, they would have had to figure out how to get an army across the ocean without being annihilated.
But again, please explain how our overseas involvement has prevented what many of you seem to far the most: the invasion of our homeland?
SERIOUSLY?
The world would have been fascist within a generation. The Americas are isolated, and the Fascist sympathizers go to work on the banana republics in South and Central America. Ten years, MAX, and one or more of them would have gone Fascist, and invited the “liberators” in. Perhaps you forgot about the strong level of Fascist sympathy among the Spanish?
That leaves North America with its belly exposed, unable to trade, and literally the economic might of the entire world, run by Germans and Japanese set agains it in armed conflict.
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