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Originally Posted by Sharpsman
Hard to understand why all these fantastic LR shooters that post on this forum never entered any competitive shooting events like the Wimbledon Cup at Camp Perry? My guess is because they’re basically FULL OF BULLSHIT!

This argument is one that continuously makes me shake my head.

Some folks just aren’t into competition, formal or informal. No interest whatsoever.

That doesn’t mean they are or are not good at shooting, or even better than many who do compete.



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Originally Posted by Sharpsman
Hard to understand why all these fantastic LR shooters that post on this forum never entered any competitive shooting events like the Wimbledon Cup at Camp Perry? My guess is because they’re basically FULL OF BULLSHIT!

Please explain in detail what the Wimbledon Cup and hunting have common, beyond shooting rifles.

One happens on a known distance range with sighters before shooting a long string of fire for score and that one is not hunting.

Also explain how a rifle suitable for the Wimbledon Cup would do double duty as a hunting rifle.

As you won't be able to answer it's not hard to decern who is "FULL OF BULLSHIT".


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Originally Posted by JohnBurns
Originally Posted by Sharpsman
Hard to understand why all these fantastic LR shooters that post on this forum never entered any competitive shooting events like the Wimbledon Cup at Camp Perry? My guess is because they’re basically FULL OF BULLSHIT!

Please explain in detail what the Wimbledon Cup and hunting have common, beyond shooting rifles.

One happens on a known distance range with sighters before shooting a long string of fire for score and that one is not hunting.

Also explain how a rifle suitable for the Wimbledon Cup would do double duty as a hunting rifle.

As you won't be able to answer it's not hard to decern who is "FULL OF BULLSHIT".


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Originally Posted by Sharpsman
Hard to understand why all these fantastic LR shooters that post on this forum never entered any competitive shooting events like the Wimbledon Cup at Camp Perry? My guess is because they’re basically FULL OF BULLSHIT!
About 10-12 years ago.
A guy w/screen name JerryBoy on PredatorMasters website I think- commented on his shooting skills with an AR-15 he had put together. Some doubters [3] challenged him to prove his comments. They met up at a Gun Range and he backed up his online comments- the doubters were stunned by his talent shooting at long-range. JerryBoy then helped the guys [doubters] with some advice and tuning on their guns.

Another guy on [ArcheryTalk] same scenario but with a compound bow, Bowtech 80lb. draw @ 80 yards- shot mind-blowing groups.
Neither of these guys had ever been in any type of competition and both said competing didn't interest them. The doubters were happy to comment on what spectacular shooters both of these guys were.
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Originally Posted by JohnBurns
Originally Posted by Sharpsman
Hard to understand why all these fantastic LR shooters that post on this forum never entered any competitive shooting events like the Wimbledon Cup at Camp Perry? My guess is because they’re basically FULL OF BULLSHIT!

Please explain in detail what the Wimbledon Cup and hunting have common, beyond shooting rifles.

One happens on a known distance range with sighters before shooting a long string of fire for score and that one is not hunting.

Also explain how a rifle suitable for the Wimbledon Cup would do double duty as a hunting rifle.

As you won't be able to answer it's not hard to decern who is "FULL OF BULLSHIT".

Don't forget manicured range, usually flat, and wind flags.


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Originally Posted by Ringman
Originally Posted by Sharpsman
Hard to understand why all these fantastic LR shooters that post on this forum never entered any competitive shooting events like the Wimbledon Cup at Camp Perry? My guess is because they’re basically FULL OF BULLSHIT!

Years ago I was told by the owner of Bob's Accuracy Shop I was the beset long range shooter he ever saw. By then I already was soured on official group competition.

Years before that I took my Freedom Arms .454 to a silhouette match. I was used to hitting jack rabbits beyond 100 yards regularly. I was surprised at how large the targets looked. I used the .454 for all kinds of hunting and started to use my hunting stance. Someone told me where to start. Some clown came over and interrupted me with,
"Hey, you can't use an artificial rest." I was holding the bottom of the pistol grip on the fat part of my left hand with my left elbow against my chest like I saw rifle shooters doing.
"What? That's me!" I argued.
"Well, here that is an artificial rest," he continued.
I looked around and saw some guys laying on the ground with their elbow on the ground holding the handgun against the side of their leg. I laughed and told the guy I wouldn't be seeing him again, and left.
Perhaps others feel the same way I do about fun that is not fun is not fun.


You got to witness Creedmore when it was a shooting position and not a caliber


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Originally Posted by Sharpsman
Hard to understand why all these fantastic LR shooters that post on this forum never entered any competitive shooting events like the Wimbledon Cup at Camp Perry? My guess is because they’re basically FULL OF BULLSHIT!
About 10-12 years ago.
A guy w/screen name JerryBoy on PredatorMasters website I think- commented on his shooting skills with an AR-15 he had put together. Some doubters [3] challenged him to prove his comments. They met up at a Gun Range and he backed up his online comments- the doubters were stunned by his talent shooting at long-range. JerryBoy then helped the guys [doubters] with some advice and tuning on their guns.

Another guy on [ArcheryTalk] same scenario but with a compound bow, Bowtech 80lb. draw @ 80 yards- shot mind-blowing groups.
Neither of these guys had ever been in any type of competition and both said competing didn't interest them. The doubters were happy to comment on what spectacular shooters both of these guys were.
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There seem to be a lot more shooters that like to kill stuff now days than there are people who like to hunt. I shoot some woodchucks occasionally and when I do I tell my wife I'm going to go shoot some woodchucks. I have a hard time calling it "woodchuck hunting" when I'll be sitting overlooking a large field with a .22-250 perched on a bipod in front of me. Obviously 740 yards is farther than Burns should be shooting at antelope based on the gut shot due to "a slight miscalculation of wind".

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Originally Posted by Blackheart
There seem to be a lot more shooters that like to kill stuff now days than there are people who like to hunt. I shoot some woodchucks occasionally and when I do I tell my wife I'm going to go shoot some woodchucks. I have a hard time calling it "woodchuck hunting" when I'll be sitting overlooking a large field with a .22-250 perched on a bipod in front of me. Obviously 740 yards is farther than Burns should be shooting at antelope based on the gut shot due to "a slight miscalculation of wind".
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Originally Posted by Blackheart
There seem to be a lot more shooters that like to kill stuff now days than there are people who like to hunt. I shoot some woodchucks occasionally and when I do I tell my wife I'm going to go shoot some woodchucks. I have a hard time calling it "woodchuck hunting" when I'll be sitting overlooking a large field with a .22-250 perched on a bipod in front of me. Obviously 740 yards is farther than Burns should be shooting at antelope based on the gut shot due to "a slight miscalculation of wind".

Things happen at all distances and not every hunt is over with one shot. I am not scared to show a miscalculation and how I fixed the issue to become better.

Here is better.



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Originally Posted by JohnBurns
Originally Posted by Blackheart
There seem to be a lot more shooters that like to kill stuff now days than there are people who like to hunt. I shoot some woodchucks occasionally and when I do I tell my wife I'm going to go shoot some woodchucks. I have a hard time calling it "woodchuck hunting" when I'll be sitting overlooking a large field with a .22-250 perched on a bipod in front of me. Obviously 740 yards is farther than Burns should be shooting at antelope based on the gut shot due to "a slight miscalculation of wind".

Things happen at all distances and not every hunt is over with one shot. I am not scared to show a miscalculation and how I fixed the issue to become better.

Here is better.

If you expect me to believe you haven't made a bunch more "slight miscalculations" that resulted in badly hit/wounded game but didn't make it into one of your videos you're nuts.

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I hearing the same thing every year, Anyone that uses technology and methods newer than 1850 is doing it wrong!

1890?

1920?

1945?

1960?

1980?

Jacketed bullet, Oh my!

Optics on a rifle, That's crazy talk!

Nobody ever had to take a second shot with a 30-40 or an iron sight 30-30 when I was a kid...Ya, right!


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There's always going to be slobs that care more about bragging {or making videos and selling rifles} than making clean kills. You don't need to add to the slob numbers by taking shots where "a slight miscalculation" can cause a bad hit and an animal to suffer because you're a braggadocious ass hole. I passed up a very nice buck at 59 yards season before last with my crossbow. I can put arrow after arrow into a 3" bull at that range but my target can't move/take a step/jump string while my arrow is in flight. I filled that buck tag a few days later from 17 yards where the odds of that were very nearly zip. If you can get closer do it. If you can't and it's too far to be certain in case of a slight miscalculation, an errant breeze or movement of the game, don't shoot. I admit I have taken some less than certain shots myself in the past and although they always worked out, I know I was lucky and I don't take those kind of shots anymore. I know sooner or later my luck would run out, an animal would suffer for it and I would feel like shyt. I will do what I can to avoid that.

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Hott Damn !!? it looks like the social security and entitlement threads have made it down here now

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Originally Posted by colodog
Nobody ever had to take a second shot with a 30-40 or an iron sight 30-30 when I was a kid...Ya, right!

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I heard of a guy just last season that had a contest with his buddies to see who could kill the biggest buck with their lever actions and iron sights

He shot one at 80 yards


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I guess them there slob 100 yard hunters don't exist either. Or should I say shooters.

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Originally Posted by Blackheart
There's always going to be slobs that care more about bragging {or making videos and selling rifles} than making clean kills. You don't need to add to the slob numbers by taking shots where "a slight miscalculation" can cause a bad hit and an animal to suffer because you're a braggadocious ass hole. I passed up a very nice buck at 59 yards season before last with my crossbow. I can put arrow after arrow into a 3" bull at that range but my target can't move/take a step/jump string while my arrow is in flight. I filled that buck tag a few days later from 17 yards where the odds of that were very nearly zip. If you can get closer do it. If you can't and it's too far to be certain in case of a slight miscalculation, an errant breeze or movement of the game, don't shoot. I admit I have taken some less than certain shots myself in the past and although they always worked out, I know I was lucky and I don't take those kind of shots anymore. I know sooner or later my luck would run out, an animal would suffer for it and I would feel like shyt. I will do what I can to avoid that.


So you base YOUR inability to make a clean shot at 59 yards with a crossbow and had to close the distance to 17 yards so there was no chance YOU would miss

And apply your lack of skill and improper equipment to long range hunters with rifles capable of killing game to a mile ?

there was a line Forrest Gump quoted

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There's always going to be slobs that care more about bragging {or making videos and selling rifles} than making clean kills. You don't need to add to the slob numbers by taking shots where "a slight miscalculation" can cause a bad hit and an animal to suffer because you're a braggadocious ass hole. I passed up a very nice buck at 59 yards season before last with my crossbow. I can put arrow after arrow into a 3" bull at that range but my target can't move/take a step/jump string while my arrow is in flight. I filled that buck tag a few days later from 17 yards where the odds of that were very nearly zip. If you can get closer do it. If you can't and it's too far to be certain in case of a slight miscalculation, an errant breeze or movement of the game, don't shoot. I admit I have taken some less than certain shots myself in the past and although they always worked out, I know I was lucky and I don't take those kind of shots anymore. I know sooner or later my luck would run out, an animal would suffer for it and I would feel like shyt. I will do what I can to avoid that.


So you base YOUR inability to make a clean shot at 59 yards with a crossbow and had to close the distance to 17 yards so there was no chance YOU would miss

And apply your lack of skill and improper equipment to long range hunters with rifles capable of killing game to a mile ?

there was a line Forrest Gump quoted

I'm sure you know it
It was never a question of "missing" dumbass. We already know about YOUR lack of hunting ability since YOU can't get near a moose, can't you read either ?

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Originally Posted by Blackheart
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Originally Posted by Blackheart
There's always going to be slobs that care more about bragging {or making videos and selling rifles} than making clean kills. You don't need to add to the slob numbers by taking shots where "a slight miscalculation" can cause a bad hit and an animal to suffer because you're a braggadocious ass hole. I passed up a very nice buck at 59 yards season before last with my crossbow. I can put arrow after arrow into a 3" bull at that range but my target can't move/take a step/jump string while my arrow is in flight. I filled that buck tag a few days later from 17 yards where the odds of that were very nearly zip. If you can get closer do it. If you can't and it's too far to be certain in case of a slight miscalculation, an errant breeze or movement of the game, don't shoot. I admit I have taken some less than certain shots myself in the past and although they always worked out, I know I was lucky and I don't take those kind of shots anymore. I know sooner or later my luck would run out, an animal would suffer for it and I would feel like shyt. I will do what I can to avoid that.


So you base YOUR inability to make a clean shot at 59 yards with a crossbow and had to close the distance to 17 yards so there was no chance YOU would miss

And apply your lack of skill and improper equipment to long range hunters with rifles capable of killing game to a mile ?

there was a line Forrest Gump quoted

I'm sure you know it
It was never a question of "missing" dumbass. We already know about YOUR lack of hunting ability since YOU can't get near a moose, can't you read either ?

Because YOU can't ... doesn't mean others have the same disability

not by Forrest Gump, btw

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From day one of sending a projectile out of a barrel more accuracy and distance has been sought after.

It’s always been LR nothing new about it.

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