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Originally Posted by Burleyboy
Is it true the ship was loaded with toxic waste. They said something about that on the news last night. My 10 year old daughter was watching with me and said if that boat was full of toxic waste it was probably crashed by some bad guys on purpose.

Probably just an accident but I wouldn't be surprised at all to hear it was deliberate sabotage. Imaging the damage a bunch of bad actors could do to our infrastructure if we were stupid enough to let a bunch of unvetted people in. But, no one in the world wants to destroy our country as much as the democrats do.

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Some of the containers have contain hazardous materials.


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Originally Posted by Burleyboy
Is it true the ship was loaded with toxic waste. They said something about that on the news last night. My 10 year old daughter was watching with me and said if that boat was full of toxic waste it was probably crashed by some bad guys on purpose.

Probably just an accident but I wouldn't be surprised at all to hear it was deliberate sabotage. Imaging the damage a bunch of bad actors could do to our infrastructure if we were stupid enough to let a bunch of unvetted people in. But, no one in the world wants to destroy our country as much as the democrats do.

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Hazardous but anything actually called out.

NTSB Chair Jennifer Homendy said there are 56 containers aboard containing hazardous materials, including corrosives, flammables and lithium ion batteries.

That's 56 containers on a ship that holds 9971 total.


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Originally Posted by GeoW
Either an..

1. Act of terrorism

2. Accident

3. Act of war

Prove one, show evidence.. not might have been, could have been circumstantial BS.

Note. I have no idea what happened but I do know is the government is full of dishonest cretins and I really don't think the truth will ever be known.


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Seems like a nudge from Putin for Biden and Co. to mind their damn business.


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Originally Posted by jorgeI
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She's full of crap.

Yeah but she has SORT OF GREAT TITS..

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Apologies sir, had to intervene there.

Noted. Great cleavage but below our "melon" standards smile
We'll not get it, but I do believe a full reveal would lead us to a better understanding of the issue.


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It appears that Mrs. Logan knows more about this issue and other methods of modern warfare than she discussed with Steve Bannon yesterday.

She posted this on X today:


BALTIMORE UPDATE: Analysis from specialists in predictive behavioral analytics, counter-terrorism, hazardous materials, maritime attacks, cyber, national security & intel – this is their view:

Based on their training & experience, they believe this was two types of operation:

1) “Penetration testing” where they are probing/testing to identify vulnerabilities in our responses and defences,

AND

2) a shaping operation to set the conditions and prepare the battlefield for a potential future event.

The concern is that other critical infrastructure disruptions/hits recently that appeared to be independent, isolated events, MAY not be. For example, the Ohio chemical disaster, train derailments, fires at food processing plants etc when taken in isolation do not appear to be that significant but when taken together, could indicate shaping or stacking operations that are paving the way for a bigger event where they do any number of these types of operations together. That could potentially paralyze the U.S..

So the critical question our government should be answering right now is this:

“When will they trigger a multiple episode that causes the paralysis effect?”

Some of the indicators are how many incidents have occurred within “a relatively short timeline” & what they see as the departure from what is “normal”.

They believe those in charge will make sure the investigation into the bridge crash “goes nowhere quick”.

And one of the goals here is to give the public mental anesthesia while they test this, using train derailments or exposure to chemicals in Ohio where they told everyone to shelter indoors – to ask questions like: Did they comply? Is this going to successfully deceive & cause behavioural change?

They use the media to create the assumptive narrative – do not want the facts analyzed because they do not want people processing the truth. Truth naturally leads to questions they do not want asked.

But it would be “foolish and naive at the expense of national security not to question the Government narrative on the Baltimore bridge crash given the level of corruption in spheres of power and influence in this country today”.

With many years of experience in “spoofing” – the tactic used in cyber warfare to hack into someones’s system and deceive in order to achieve a certain outcome – they recognized multiple indicators watching the video that tell them the GPS signal was likely hacked. It would have led them to believe they were not as close to the bridge as they were and may be why in the video you see the crazy lean to port and then to hard starboard as they realized they were not on course in spite of the GPS indicating they were.

In information warfare terms, here are some of the tactics they see being used now that many of you will recognize:

1) Engineered complexity – where they throw in nonsensical variables (information) to distract. This is designed to keep you from serially processing multiple channels & give you processing overload that prevents you from toggling different channels of information.

IE: they create processing decoys to distract you from truth.

2) They are trying to reframe the issue by focusing on details that do not matter. They do this by throwing in a variable that is not relevant to the main equation.

3) Common sense, skepticism and intelligence are huge “overlays” that get in the way of manipulating human behavior so they analyze you to learn how to create channel overload as you toggle/handle different channels of information such as the speed of the boat, temperature of the water etc.

3) They need to load you up with enough variance to create channel overload so you create an error that they can use to discredit you. One way is to create doubt in yourself. Most effective because you make yourself less efficient when your brain is processing self-doubt. And it will propogate into the future.

“Population so much easier to dupe today than 20 years ago.”

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Originally Posted by flintlocke
Probably the only man who can really tell the story has not been publicly heard from yet....that would be the chief engineer, and maybe his first officer.
I cannot imagine the pressure he must be under...liability claims, insurance underwriters, NTSB, Maersk, USCG, owners, battalions of lawyers...Jeffery Epstein had it easy.
Dammit old man,

here ya' go trying to make sense of all the BS again.

He (she? probably not being from Singapore) may have just jumped ship and swam to the nearest taxi stand to get the hell out of dodge.


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PLC’s are hard to hack as they are not casually connected to WAN’s. The supervisory system on ships are not connected to WAN’s, just local networks, not the internet.
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I have never worked on a cargo ship where the enginecontolroom panels/computors have hade internet/satelite connection. It might exist somewhere, but I have never seen it.
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Maersk Engineer (note - an act of terrorism is usually not covered by insurance, so it would be in Maersk's interest for it to be that under force majeure, good luck)

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Originally Posted by jorgeI
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Melons are overrated.

You must be a Coast Guard guy...
I laughed! A lot!


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Originally Posted by Teal
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Baltimore needs the port open now.


Honestly - they should be asking the SeaBees for help as clearing this is WELL within their wheelhouse of skills.

Exactly, get the harbor opened back up, asap.

Had this have happened in China the lanes would most likely be open by Monday[at the latest].

I assume tho - we're operating a little slower to recover bodies. China wouldn't, they'd dynamite the thing and go. I get that. But you ARE talking about tons of metal, debris in what, 45 feet of water and a monster current. Plus it's not like that debris and metal is there like legos and will come apart easily. It's a pile of work for sure.


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I don't know beans about the Seabees...but I know something about marine construction...I would opt for the biggest marine construction contractor in the Chesapeake, with the most heavy lift capability...and offer them a time contingent bonus contract and get out of the f...king way. Done.


Funny, on our siblings text string this morning one of them mentioned some Navy vessels stuck because of the wreck and how they can't get out. I mentioned that if the Navy wanted them out, they'd be out within a week.

Seabees or private contractors, wouldn't matter. Teal is likely on to something there with our societal norms requiring the dead be located first. Other societies might say F it, lets get this harbor open again.


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Originally Posted by Teal

This makes sense but how do you account for numerous videos that show the lights came on just a few minutes before the ship made a hard turn to starboard,which then forced it into a collision with a main structural support.


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Originally Posted by rte
It appears that Mrs. Logan knows more about this issue and other methods of modern warfare than she discussed with Steve Bannon yesterday.


Her job is to sound authoritative so people will believe what she spins.

Apparently, she's good at it.



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This makes sense but how do you account for numerous videos that show the lights came on just a few minutes before the ship made a hard turn to starboard,which then forced it into a collision with a main structural support.

As said before - power comes back on, the ship's hard turn is actually prop walk due to it being single screw. Full astern will cause the stern to swing to port, essentially lining the ship/effectively bow to starboard. It's a physics thing.

I think we're going to find that it's bad fuel taking down systems/generators - flintlocke was onto that early.

Also it's been reported now that they were having system failure before leaving.

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The ship lost power in a narrow channel and ran aground. Its really that simple. Happens all the time except this time there was a bridge in the way.

Modern container ships have very little redundancy. Their only purpose is to go from point A to point B as efficiently as possible so most of them have a single low speed diesel engine that's connected directly to the propeller. No reduction gears, thus no reverse capability, e.g. the ability to slow down or stop quickly. When the tugs pull it off the pier they start the engine and the propeller starts turning. Then at some point the tugs leave and from that point forward everything relies on the ability to control the rudder to steer. Without steering the ship is at the mercy of momentum, wind and current.

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The ship lost power in a narrow channel and ran aground. Its really that simple. Happens all the time except this time there was a bridge in the way.

Modern container ships have very little redundancy. Their only purpose is to go from point A to point B as efficiently as possible so most of them have a single low speed diesel engine that's connected directly to the propeller. No reduction gears, thus no reverse capability, e.g. the ability to slow down or stop quickly. When the tugs pull it off the pier they start the engine and the propeller starts turning. Then at some point the tugs leave and from that point forward everything relies on the ability to control the rudder to steer. Without steering the ship is at the mercy of momentum, wind and current.

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Originally Posted by Teal
As said before - power comes back on, the ship's hard turn is actually prop walk due to it being single screw. Full astern will cause the stern to swing to port, essentially lining the ship/effectively bow to starboard. It's a physics thing.

Your theory makes sense, Teal. But are you not believing the reports that the propulsion never came back on, and the black smoke was from the backup generator?

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Originally Posted by kolofardos

I think some of the data recording stopped while the power was out.

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Originally Posted by MarineHawk
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As said before - power comes back on, the ship's hard turn is actually prop walk due to it being single screw. Full astern will cause the stern to swing to port, essentially lining the ship/effectively bow to starboard. It's a physics thing.

Your theory makes sense, Teal. But are you not believing the reports that the propulsion never came back on, and the black smoke was from the backup generator?

This engineer HERE has said that the smoke isn't diesel generator out the stack but main propulsion as fuel pressure comes up.


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Originally Posted by MarineHawk
Originally Posted by Teal
As said before - power comes back on, the ship's hard turn is actually prop walk due to it being single screw. Full astern will cause the stern to swing to port, essentially lining the ship/effectively bow to starboard. It's a physics thing.

Your theory makes sense, Teal. But are you not believing the reports that the propulsion never came back on, and the black smoke was from the backup generator?


In the vid that Geno re-posted above the author thought the smoke was from them trying to get the engine restarted. Not clear that was successful.


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