Jagnoff just smoked a cigarette.

She calls it "the I-94 Corridor."

Wrong corridor.

She's full of crap.

She only missed it by one.lol

It is the I-95 corridor.

Lol

Get a grip

It's a 13 minute vid and you posted your comment after only 5 minutes.

Did you even watch the video?

I think you meant "spliff."

If I had to choose who is more credible,I would most certainly choose someone who has a considerable amount of documented work in this area,than someone on the internet.

Oh, she’s a master captain?

lol

Are you a master captain? lol

I am sure she is.

Sounds plausible. I thought it might be just a horrible accident accidents like that are unlikely. Too much money at stake.
Once again: How’s Build Back Better feel after 3+ years? We’ve been invaded by a huge army of people at the behest of the administration. We’ve spent billions if not trillions on a war we instigated in Ukraine. Out national credibility is down the drain. Our Congress is insane. Republicans in both houses cannot even agree on anything and refuse to use power at their disposal to fight back. The judicial system is corrupt and law means nothing. Our citizens are being arrested and persecuted without even being charged. Our Constitution is ignored.
WAKE UP DAMMIT!!!!!

Whatever, you can rest assured Buttighey will hold whomever did this , accountable!

You imply she has some level of credibility. I’m simply pointing out the obvious.

You do realize that video's been out there a while now? Posted 3/26 - go check your calendar. What's today's date? Completely inconceivable that a person's seen it before you decided to post?

Yeah - I've seen it, she's full of crap. ZERO evidence that the ship is even hackable, much less that it actually happened. And as I told Stevie - the guys I know, still working at the 3 letter agency field site that I also used to work at back in the day - none think nor believe it was a cyber attack.

Camera needs to be placed lower so we can get a better look at that cleavage

OMG !!

Teal.....................I just realized...............................


you're one of THEM!..........aren't you?

I too was a Naval intelligence NCO who spent 3 years working at an NSA field site. I did the actually collection, analysis and reporting of the intel, not just reading it and passing it along. WOC qualified and trainer qualified for intelligence as well. I too know people and I'm going with what they told me vice some random lady and Steve. Nothing against Steve.

She's offered ZERO proof of the possibility much less probability. Show me how that ship was "hackable" to begin with - resulting in complete loss of power, regain power, lose power regain it and then hit the bridge.

Nope - but some of us have actually done some things, when it comes to intelligence work and understand and have seen how it's mislabeled or misused. We have a lot of former intel people on this board, former special forces as well.

I've found that people struggle with others doing things they never envision themselves doing.

I admit - all my experience was from 2003-2006 but it was experience and, like I said, I still know people which means more than the cut/paste gang here simply spouting "journalists" who've produced nothing in the way of proof.


You can only listen to so many stupid takes and discussions before you pull your hair out. It's like a kindergarten - eventually you wanna yell "shut up!"

You there.

Stop bringing logic and stop trying to make sense here.

You're ruining this forum.

What is wrong with these people? Seriously, they all need to wake the f uck up. The country is lost and some of these asses just act like its 50 years ago and all is well

The local boat guys down at the bar last night - don't see it as hackable either. Maybe you mess with a GPS or something but not the engine room, not aux and primary power. They're just not that connected to the outside - per these guys. Real? dunno but I trust the guy building the things over some tart on Steve's show.

And my comment isnt directed at you Teal

I know - I get it. No offense taken at all.

Since this bridge collapsed you've been in contact with some of your former co-workers to discuss this issue.

Some of you old guys are hilarious.

I'm not old. And yes, yes I have because, you know we're friends. I know that's foreign to you but veterans, those that serve and spend time together tend to be life long friends. So on the intel side - yep, we talk.

Boat wise - Fincantieri has 2 ship yards within 2 hours of me. One of them 30 mins. Lots of boat guys around, neighbors and the like. I even have an uncle that used to work on the boats back in the 90's. I live on the Great Lakes - large merchant boats are part of the culture here, an interest.

When the Demented Bastard rushes to the microphone,to definitively claim this was just a normal accident,I have a tendency to believe just the opposite.

11 hours later is "rushing"?

Laughing. Well if Lara says it, it must be true. Conspiracy theorists are having orgasms.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024...we-know-about-the-ship-crash-and-victims

It takes time to write his script,coach this bastard and then inject him with Adderall/Ritalin to get him prepped for this public address.

Are you defending him ?

Democrat National Socialists/Communists took this right out of the movie that the Soetoro-Obammunists made.

They do that.





GR

FFS no but the idea he rushed to create this narrative before we'd have a chance know is ridiculous. It can't be he called it an accident too quick because we don't know AND we definitely know it was a cyber-attack at the same time.

You're falling for the same problem people fell for with GW Bush. Assume he's a moron (feeble in the case of Biden) and he gets away with things due to underestimation. The left continually underestimated his intelligence and political maneuvering. Same with Trump. The Right - all too often ascribes stupidity and incompetence to the Left rather than actual evil and intent.

Biden's far more there than we give him credit for and he's using the perception to his advantage at times. See the whole prosecution or not under Hur because he's "mentally deficient" but also still with a finger on the button.

Yeah, that's pretty much my take on things.

Kinda like in your industry, they may have GPS units to tell where their trucks are, and they may have them computer governed so as to not speed or over rev, but I haven't heard of a truck being hacked and driven into a fuel depot...............................yet..

Boats I've been on, never one that size though, have all sorts of electronic navigation stuff but nothing I ever saw that could take over and do all you noted to the operational parts of the vessel. The Captains I've known would never serve on a vessel that could be taken over remotely, not without some strong contract stating they are not responsible if something with that system screws up.

I've always liked Laura Logan. I have no clue about how creditable her claims of it being planned are (I'm a sucker for bright articulate beautiful women so I need to factor that in when forming thoughts what I believe) However Teal and others probably have useful insight into how much a disruption to hazardous will impact us.

If this hazmat shipping is going to be a long term disruption that would lead to thinking more along the lines of maybe someone onboard caused the power disruptions?

Of course, it’s hackable. It’s a 1000 foot, 100,000 ton ship built in 2015 with a 22 man crew. A ship that big and new with a crew small is going to be heavily computerized. If it has an internet connection, it’s hackable.

Doesn’t mean it was, but these days someone can hack you toaster.

They attacked the West coast as well, by burning a critical overpass next to a river on the I-10 corridor in Los Angeles last year.

Democrat National Socialists/Communists.






GR

Biden only missed it by one as well, he called an "Assault Weapon" an AR14.....but he's a dementia ridden geezer.

if the ship's captain knew he lost control why not drop and drag anchors?

Fitzgerald was 730 feet, just as heavy and only had a crew of 29, built in '58.


There's computerization - sure. But you also mentioned something rather important - is propulsion connected to the internet? and can you even get a signal buried under 100k tons of steel and 9k TEUs on deck and does it make sense to do that attack at 1am when it's LEAST likely to create loss of life?

Like I said - boat guys here are saying - nope.

Allegedly port anchor was dropped but again - this isn't a F1 car that stops on a dime, they stop in MILES.

I know of ELDs being hacked while the truck goes down the road from a vehicle next to it.

Truck Worms

Well, there is one thing I don't think I've seen mentioned in any of the threads on this subject that I've read.

As I stated earlier,I would believe Lara Logan's opinion,who has been correct on so many issues,than the Bolsheviks,who are controlling this demented bastard.

This demented fool is not,in any way, in control of his mental faculties.He could not have known this was an accident.I've previously stated,I believe nothing this admin tells this nation.It's a good bet that assuming the opposite of what they claim would be closer to the truth.

This has nothing to do with any previous administration.BTW Bush may or may not have been a moron but he still lied this nation into war.

I've said this many times,this admin is evil and every policy is cold,calculating and Satanic.

Time. Distance. Electricity. The anchor(s) have to be inched up, the manual stoppers removed, before the hook can be dropped. Even if everybody was dressed and awake... and tools found, it's a ten minute walk, 5 or 10 minutes to remove the stoppers...assuming there is DC power available to pull the slack to release the stopper and the winch drum pawl.
Until it is confirmed, I doubt that a hook was dropped as first reported.

I have read some speculation that a fuel problem can cause a blackout, but not the reason for the generator to not function properly ( recognizing that delays occur in comms to actions). I bet that crew on that ship were doing some serious crapping drawers! Time will tell, but I will not believe anything spewed by the media or our .gov!

Interesting read, the part that seems pertinent here is


Then again, I don't know about the controls on those newer, bigger ocean vessels. Maybe the companies have pushed for the ability to control them remotely?

I wonder what Q has to say about the bridge crash???

Stop. Is there a mechanical linkage from the bridge to the rudder? No? Of course, not in a ship that large. An electric signal goes from A to B…from micro processor to microprocessor. It’s hackable.

As for making sense. Bro, don’t be stupid. If it were a cyber attack, the point is not to kill people on the bridge. That’s an afterthought. The point is to bring the bridge down and shut down the port for the next year.

Never let a crisis go to waste!

Joebob is on a roll. Lol

To the truck issue. Almost all new cars and trucks are completely drive-by-wire. There are no mechanical linkages for steering, throttle, gear shifting….nada. It’s been demonstrated several times that vehicles can be remotely hacked and the driver will have no control over it. Anything that is on the internet, and all modern vehicles are, can be hacked.

I’m not saying it was done, I’m simply telling you it can be done. You old boomer farts don’t realize how far things have gone these days.

Sure is suspicious. Right after Russia gets hit with a big time terrorist attack which they attribute to the US and Ukraine.

Agree

Well that certainly will fugg things up when the mice and rats get under the hood then.

She's a whackadoodle.

Yep if the ships computers are connected to the internet it is hackable. Odd these simpletons can't seem to understand the obvious.

Damn, so my wife was right about the burnt toast.

lol

Ok. I’ll play along. Who stands to gain what from this?

Gotta connect the dots.

Easiest question all day.

Lara Logan. Viewers = $$

I don’t know. So now I have to prove a motive before someone can consider the possibility of something nefarious? Who gained by the attack on Moscow? Who gains by our involvement in Ukraine? Who gained by running airplanes in the WTC? Who really knows why anyone ever does anything? All I can tell is that if a thing CAN be done, someone eventually WILL do it.

Let's see - what would shut the port down the longest? Dropping the bridge or dropping the bridge with 250 cars and trucks with it?

"I'm willing to f-ck with the US, commit an act of terrorism but I'm not willing to kill people" - got it.

Logan is posting for clicks.

As to your post above, you do realize that most "3 letter agencies" have a rather dismal track record? Rank and fil emight work hard and all, but they are and have been utter [bleep] shows, often bordering on unAmerican.

3 letter agency. Lol.

Tough to disagree there. ^

Don’t be a dufus. Who is assuming now? Why do you create so many straw men? If it were a cyberattack, there could be a thousand different factors as to why it was done when it was done. They could range from blind luck to collaboration with the crew and a hundred other things we don’t and can’t know. But you can’t rule it out completely because you arbitrarily decide by your own reasoning that if it were done, it would have been better done at another time.

Oh cmon, thats so easy.

IF connected - that's the fugging point.

And IF the ones connected ALSO connect to propulsion.

I get drive by wire, I work for a SaaS company specializing in transportation AI, ML and automation - I get what's possible. It's just not probably on this.

What I am saying is the odds that the internet connected computers are ALSO connected to both ship power, and propulsion AND were hacked at 1am in the middle of a river through the faraday cage that is an all metal ship with TEUs all over it and THEN being able to take positive control, shut down the power - completely time the wind, tides, boat speed and channel water speed to create a 100k ton Fast and Furious Tokyo drift - while ALSO allowing coms to the bridge to tell them to close it and hit the bridge - yep. That's the MOST LIKELY event. /sarc

Again - the guys I talked to last night who build the damned things say this - not gonna happen. The intelligence officers I know and have known for 2 decades agree. Like zero thought has ever been put into place over the last 20+ years about the possibility and precautions taken.

JFC - this isn't someone figuring out your yahoo account email.

I'm not creating the "terrorist straw man" - those seeing conspiracy in everything, to include cold soup at Wendy's are.

I rule it out because of the people I've talked to and the understanding of the hoops needed to align for it to happen. There's FAR more evidence this is simply a mechanical failure combined with human error than "Laura says".

Either way - no skin off my back, have a great day. IDGAF

From yesterday.

Yep, you get credit for not knowing the answer.

I laughed out load at that one.

LOL

Youre wasting time with Calvin. Hes a lost cause lol. Anyway, like you said, damn near anything can be hacked. Even things that are not attached to the internet. There was a documentary that was all about spy tech in the modern world. We have the ability to use a microwave in someones home to listen to their conversation in the room. No internet connection needed and we have had that tech for a long ass time. The things that can be done in the modern world are absolutely terrifying. Im not saying thats what happened, Im just agreeing that it could be done with enough will to do it

She got it correct the next time.

When your attention span resets, watch another five minute segment, and see for yourself.

Ha!




GR

Bunker fuel.

I tend to agree with most of what you are saying. It seems like it was just an awful accident. Wouldnt surprise me though if it turned out to be intentional

The thing that has kept running through my mind since this bridge disaster took place is not really who, how or why but the after effects. I imagine every suicide nut case that hates the USA has in mind how nice it would be to cause such a thing to happen. Imagine the mayhem if they could knock out every bridge over the Mississippi. Wouldn't take a big ship to do it either.

All true. Question is what will "wake up" the sheep? In the political process there are inputs which are converted into outputs. The minority has the right to oppose the output but you can't oppose if the entire government is in bed together and only some of them pretend to oppose because it might help them get re-elected.

Apathy, bread and circus, more conspiracy bull(bleep) to keep them befuddled and believe what they want to believe . As long as they got a couch, a 6 pack, and a bag of chips nothing else matters as their country is shredded to ribbons by a bunch of corrupt, deceitful war mongers whose main concern is appeasing their donors....the elitist ruling class could GAF less about the people.

like when Ben Franklin was asked by a passerby when leaving the convention; "well Dr. Franklin, what have you given us"?....Franklin replied "a republic madam, IF you can keep it"

We have NOT kept it. I don't know what to do I haven't already done, pestering my lawmakers hasn't accomplished a damn thing so short of all out revolution, I think our only hope is to try to get Trump elected (for the third time

MAGA!

Why bother with bridges?

How secure is your local electrical substation..............even the great big ones near powerplants???

You do you, this is a load of crap.

A person stated that if you hack the GPS you control the ship.

The GPS provides instructions to the engine room.

You still didn't watch this War Room segment,did you?

You also didn't mention that McCabe claimed this was an accident early yesterday morning.

Sure I'll take your word for it.




NOT!

GPS doesn't shut off the lights, power and aux power. That's the point the GUYS WHO BUILD THE BOATS TOLD ME. THEY'RE NOT CONNECTED. AGAIN, at the SOURCE of the BOAT ITSELF.

GPS would contact engine room to run the rudder which is NOT the same as the propulsion which was not working when it went dark. The smoke- per them is the restart and full astern once back on-line.

Smokepole, you so funny we love you loooong time!

Also, I assume that there is no way the port pilots are navigating off GPS alone, if at all.

Very fertile minds at work..

And maybe life is different on those giant, new, container vessels but I can't imagine any skipper allowing GPS to run his vessel (even if completely capable of doing so) in a harbor with bridges, ship traffic, recreational vessels, fishing vessels, etc. Any more than I'd expect any airline pilot to put the autopilot on when leaving the tarmac and not also having the ability to control his ship.

She makes an excellent argument.

The ship is registered in Singapore,chartered by the Danish company Maersk but owned by Grace Ocean and managed by Synergy Marine out Hong Kong according to the Maritime Executive.

You still didn't watch the War Room segment.

How about McCabe claiming it wasn't terrorism when he couldn't have definitively known this less than six hours after the collision.

So under no circumstance could this have been the work of a bad actor? I'm sure that the people who put effort and time into figuring out how to remote control ships, cars, MSNBC brain scans might have capabilities we don't know about. How about someone who has been on board? One of the videos I watched showed the ship to veer starboard and hit the bridge pillar just a bit off center. It takes a lot to turn a ship that big. Interesting that it is registered in Singapore.

MV Dali is a Singapore-registered container ship completed in 2015 and owned by Grace Ocean Pte Ltd. As of March 2024, the vessel was chartered by Maersk and managed and operated by Synergy Marine Group.[3]

On 26 March 2024, the ship collided with the Francis Scott Key Bridge in Baltimore, Maryland, United States, causing a catastrophic structural failure of the bridge in which up to seven people may have died.[7][8]

Of interest Synergy Marine group manages and operates the MV Dali. Main office is in Singapore.

https://www.synergymarinegroup.com/about/diversity-and-inclusion/

As an organization aspiring to excellence, issues related to diversity are a high priority at Synergy. We realize that the benefits of diversity are best achieved by fostering greater inclusion and belonging. We will continue to attract, hire, and retain a diverse workforce because that is a key source of good ideas, and talented applicants will be drawn to work with us. But hiring for diversity alone is not enough. We want to ensure that our employees can bring their full selves to work – that they can belong in the fullest sense to the community inside the organization.

At Synergy we want a workplace that is truly characterized by inclusion and belonging. Diversity for us is more about the variety of our thoughts as a team. Although diversity can be created through deliberate hiring practices, inclusion may not automatically follow. We want our entire workforce to appreciate and show sensitivity to the cultural, and any other, differences that exist in our teams, as well as among the people we interact with in our daily business. We strive to create an environment where everyone feels they belong.

Odd China is written all over ownership and management. Accident? If Joey says so.

https://www.sgpbusiness.com/company/Grace-Ocean-Private-Limited#Corporate-Profile

Very true. Lots of ways to wreak havoc and destroy things. So far one of the largest amount of destruction has been done internally by our own people in government. They have managed to destroy the public trust.

This incident sure has brought out the Q queers.

as opposed to the kw kweers?

I know a lot of conspiracies are true and I have no doubts about many of them. However, I'm leaning on this incident truly being an accident.

Time will tell.

until.


Haha. Yeah. Caught that, too. Only because I'm a couple miles off it.

Interesting discussion. More opinions than anything, but a few good points. Im hearing that the actual ship crew isnt even the ones who were controling it. It was a port crew that gets it out of the harbor. Anyone know that for sure?

One thing's clear. The fire has as many shipping, GPS, cyber warfare experts as they do anti-drone experts.

Yes. The ship was being driven by two of the port's pilots. Not foreign terrorists.

Anyone who believes it would be impossible to have sabotaged the ship just does not understand the multiude of ways the power could be shutoff and engine shutdown.

A cyber attack seems to me one of the very least likely.

A bad actor could have had complete control of the ship and all it's systems long before it docked at the port to load/unload. Modification to the electrical systems and engine/rudder could have been done and in the unlikely event this was a planned attack, well that would be the definition of planning.

US pilots were on board but it would be very possible for another actor to shut down the main generator at the right/wrong time with the predictable results.

NTSB and Coast Guard were not on the ship for over a day.

I think most likely it was just bad luck and bad maintenance but to boldy state it would be impossible to have sabotaged the ship and get this result is as silly as to claim one knows it was Greys using a tractor beam.

The anchor would no chance of stopping the ship clipping along at 9 knots in the current with a silt bottom.

Now on to Lara. She did some really good reporting but got brutally gang raped in Egypt. She might have some demons now and she might be being used to spread unplausible theories. That happened to her after the 2020 elections.

A common tactic, look at the Pillow guy, Sid Powell, and others used to spread theories easily debunked to cover for the real cheat like voter harvesting.

I think the ChiComs would be the most likely culprits in the unlikey event this was an attack. They would have the time, resources, and technical knowledge to disable the ship if they decided to do such a thing.

They probably didn't but they are at war with us, they call it "Unrestricted War", even if we don't admit it.

I’m confident you and Jag see eye to eye on this, and please let me know if the patriots are in control. 😄

Good grief, common sense out the window, many other ways to do this but a cyber attack killing the power and knowing how the incident would transpire????? Not hardly.

Argument? Is that what reporters are supposed to do, put forth an argument?


Or report facts?

Was it the BORTAC dude whodunit?

That's redundant.

I can't think of a better way for an enemy to hurt us without being obvious. It's the oldest trick in the book...make a crime look like an accident. They know they can't win a war on our soil, but they sure can make us weaker one step at a time.

Not like the Russians would be trying to get even for anything.

More likely the swamp and team Marxist Bidet did it. Maybe that's why the replaced the Federal bigwig in Baltimore right before it happened.

https://www.fbi.gov/news/press-rele...-in-charge-of-the-baltimore-field-office

Bb

Whether it was an accident or not, you know a lot of bad actors are now asking themselves how they can do that. Quite a few more vulnerable bridges out there.

This thread is great.

If you got off the computer/phone/tablet for a few moments and tried to build something, hire people, or work in the marketplace, you'd realize 99.9% of fu ck ups are explained by frank incompetence.

The pilot was Ukrainian.
I’m no expert but I can’t fathom why a ship that size with all that momentum would suddenly go off course and strike the only place that would bring the bridge down. It doesn’t make a lot of sense.

Lots of folks read stuff into anything to make a buck.

Sad truth is there are some folks that believe all of this crap no mater how far fetched it is.

Some folks need mental health help.

That's with the assumption this was a one off. I wonder how many ships go off course for whatever reason but don't have a disastrous result. I'm betting quite a few. Probably don't want to know how many near misses there are.

So your sayin those sneaky Ukes missed a lot before they hit the bullseye? What better way to get US dollars than crunchen US ports?

It's the same people that have been torching all the food processing plants in the last few years

and there's more to come

You may want to take a look at the video Steve posted in another thread. The guy does a passable job explaining that.

https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbt...e-baltimore-bridge-collapse#Post19337337

There are more than any skipper likes. Most would say one is too many.

The guys driving the tug I worked with on the Columbia and Snake (known for being a bit windy and at times the currents were pretty swift) hated the idea of losing power anywhere, but especially within a short distance of a bridge. In a good wind they would even be extra cautious.

One of their favorite sayings was "Boredom is severely underrated"

She's wacked

The pilot was a Port of Baltimore guy. Not Ukrainian.

https://www.thebaltimorebanner.com/...e-ship-pilot-LKDWFY237JFR5NCR7KXZIWRDVA/

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These days, everybody's on the misinformation/conspiracy theory money-grubbing bandwagon.
Everybody knows it was those cheap Chinese fuel filters that they bought off Alibaba.

Part of terrorism is to plan an 'accident' like this and then make sure the blame looks like it belongs to someone else, or something else.

No question this country is a target for foreign entities that want to destroy this nation from within. And its not a big challenge when we have a leader who is asleep at the wheel, has no intelligence left in his brain, is controlled by others behind the scene, who have a goal to reverse this nation's direction, and all of these WOKE people are ( whatever the hell WOKE is suppose to be).

I personally think things like this are foreign entities UNTIL we rule out that they are not.

I'll wait until it is proven it was a fluke accident, and not caused by outside enemies of this nation...

Hell, I wouldn't rule out that its something the democRATS are pulling to shut down the country and blame it on the conservatives and Republicans... just like the Nazis did, when they burned down the Reichstag and then blamed it on the communists.... Too Many Americans are lost in the concept that " it can't happen here"..... well 9/11 couldn't happen here, but it did anyway....

and the DemocRATS didn't orchestrate the Jan 6 fallacy, to blame the conservatives that were in DC that day, claiming they had planned an insurrection, to overthrow the government..... The liberal left and foreign entities really don't care how it looks, they will just blame the other side, and then call them deniers.

Wouldn't surprise me if it was caused by outsiders or the DNCC... 9/11 wasn't caused by outsiders right? and Jan 6th wasn't caused by the DNCC either, right? This was just a simple accident... RIGHT? Sure it was....

She's angry, and has every right to be. She gets a pass on some wackiness.

Because most people in a field arent really quite as skilled or talented as they'd let on.

I dont know why we dont just listen to the Media reports on what the experts at the 3 letter agencies tell them to.

Seafire I think we are stretching terrorism as a definition here; terrorism is defined as an overt violent act aimed to make a political statement and place many in fear. I am not suggesting this event was planned nor am I suggesting it was simply an accident nor am I suggesting it was anything in the absence of a proof of evidence. However if we look at everything as terrorism then at some point nothing is terrorism. We simply don’t know and as the public we may never really know which seems more the case these days. In any case until more is known I do not think we should rush to just label it as terrorism.

That article adds fuel to the cyber attack theory. Multiple independent systems all failed at exactly the same instant.

Look back to 9/11 and the day after. Did anyone really believe it was anything other than a terrorist attack, even after we all saw Building 7 collapse for no apparent reason? Today I firmly believe, best case scenario, that the U.S. government was complicit in the attacks. Worst case is that they facilitated the attacks. I’m more in the facilitated camp. The point is, I trust absolutely nothing the government tells us, and the truth is usually far from what is being reported.

Yeah but she has GREAT TITS..

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Key to understanding what went wrong will be figuring out what failure hit both the engine, which is powered by diesel fuel, and the generator at the same time. Diamond said he can’t speculate on the cause. Both the generator and the engine are in the same area of the ship, he said. “We don’t have any idea why the engine stopped working,” Diamond said."

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Do the generator and the engine both run from the same fuel tank? It could be they got a bad load of fuel in Baltimore.

No it's not. Making it look like an accident removes the "terror" from terrorism. Terrorists want you to know they did it, and can do it again.

Apologies sir, had to intervene there.

Looking at the video, the lights just go out for a few seconds. Just enough time for a back up systems to kick on.

Also, the main engine was running at the time of the impact. Looks like they were in hard reverse from the black smoke. Very hard reverse. When you hit high rpm on a diesel you get black smoke. I see it all the time.

Not sure how long the main was down before they got it going again but with a ship that size and in a channel it wouldn’t take long for you to get into trouble.

It’s not uncommon at all for boats to temporarily loose power with an electrical or fuel problem.


Now, there is speculation that the sharp turn at the end was from them tossing the hook.

I read yesterday that the pilot says that the engine power never came back on.

Lights come back on, engine fires back up, black smoke from high R’s. It’s all on video.

Wise man. 20 years in the planning:

"Show us your tits, not your "theories."

I bet if some of you got a flat tire, you'd try to replace the transmission first.

I-94 ?????

Knowing the ship's momentum too enormous to reverse, why did they not hold steady course? When power was restored, why did they not power up on a safe heading - knowing reverse could not save the day? No headway, no steerage. But, what do I know? Holiday Express was full last night.....

No, but sure as hell I'd be looking to see how the Ukrainians were involved.

The thing that is suspicious to me is a ship this size should have emergency lights lit and nav lights lit when main generator power goes down. It is required to have emergency lights. In the videos all lights shut off. As if someone flipped off power to the emergency buss. There should have been some lighting and Nav lights visible running on the emergency power system. Which would include an automaticlly started backup Generator but also a battery bank for emergency lighting sized to power those lights for several hours.
It could have all been incompetence too.

Noted. Great cleavage but below our "melon" standards

Im on this side generally. I dont think our gov did 9/11, but I completely think they knew it was coming and allowed it to happen. That led to the biggest power grab in our history imo. I have ZERO trust for anything our gov says and I question everything. With all of our enemies, external and internal, I could easily see this being some sort of an attack. We need a bit more info, so Ill just wait and see what comes out in the future

It cracks me up how EVERYONE instantly is an expert, and knows more than the people that do this every day. Always looking for the pie in the sky, "lottery" one and done solution. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣


Stop. You're embarrassing yourselves. Your feeding the trolls, and you are assisting in any cover up flooding the Country with disinformation and stupidity.

The “expert” talking heads on this are brutal. I just listened to an “expert” say the wind moved the ship.

A few things happen in reverse. First is you slow down. Second is your stern walks depending on a rh or lh screw.
I would also not be surprised if the report of tossing the anchor was false.

Like most reporting immediately after incidents, most of it turns out wrong.


I also don’t buy that they shut down the bridge to traffic. Zero time for that. They got lucky due to the time of day.

You should have started with "but what do I know" and quit.

He actually had some valid questions.

The more I watch the video and think about it, the more curious I get.

Those pilots make 700k a year btw.

If the anchor was down, I'm assuming it was dropped after collision.

The anchor was dropped prior to collision, but such a massive vessel with an incredible amount of freeboard and underway at eight knots is impossible to stop sor quite a long way and yes given the ship's freeboard, made much worse by the containers would sure as hell be pushed by the wind. That said, I have no idea as to wind direction and speed so I can''t ascertain for sure.

Per NTSB

12:39 DALI departs Seagirt Marine Terminal
01:07 DALI enters shipping channel
01:24 DALI traveling at 8 knots
01:24:59 audible alarms sound, VDR ceases sensor data recording, audio only
01:26:02 VDR resumes sensor data and audio recording
01:26:39 ship pilot makes VHF call for tugs in vicinity to assist (first indication of needing help)
01:27:04 pilot orders DALI to drop port anchor and additional steering commands
01:27:25 pilot issues VHF radio call that DALI has lost all power and approaching the bridge. MDTA orders bridge closed
01:29 DALI traveling at just under 7 knots
01:29-01:29:33 sounds consistent with hitting bridge
01:29:39 pilot reports bridge down to USCG

I cannot find a better source just now, but if the following is true:

- The ship was guided by two tugboats part of its way through the harbor, but they departed before the end.

- The ship's propulsion was lost and never came back. The black smoke was from the backup generator.

- The harbor pilot ordered the ship's crew to drop the port anchor a minute or two before the impact. It doesn't say exactly when the anchor was, in fact, dropped or whether that was before the impact.


https://news.yahoo.com/5-minutes-brought-down-key-113921353.html

Melons are overrated. Gravity always wins in the long run. I don't want to be involved in trying to get a nipple unstuck from a woman's zipper.

Lara Logan Provides Comprehensive Baltimore Update: Experts in Behavioral Analytics, Counter-Terrorism, and National Security Analyze Recent Incident

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/20...ive-baltimore-update-experts-behavioral/

She is retarded.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/03/lara-logan-francis-scott-key-bridge-collapse-everyone/

- “this is a brilliant, well-planned strategic attack on one of the most important supply chains in the United States of America. The only other one is in the Western side in California. That’s the only one that’s busier. And what you have done, you now have shut it down.”

No. Baltimore is the 18th-busiest port in the U.S.:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ports_in_the_United_States

- “Everything that you need for your economy to move has literally just been shut down for 4-5 years.”

No. They will clear the channel in months if not weeks for port traffic. The only longer issue will be vehicle traffic will have to take alternate, more-congested, routes until the bridge is rebuilt.

Those things alone show clearly that she doesn’t know what she’s talking about.

Yet has no trouble saving a stuck cock from a gay guy's zipper with just his teeth!

This all took place in a span of two minutes Not sure if the video was sped up or not but it’s about 40 seconds from when power goes out and they hit the bridge.

Must be one hell of a crew to deploy an anchor in 2 minutes off a mega freighter.

If it wasn't intentional I think they are going to find inadequate maintenance and required testing. And or incompetence of crew. All of the lights should not have gone out because main generator shut down. Emergency lighting and Nav lights should have stayed lit on emergency power Which would be a battery bank until Emergency / backup generator starts.

He had ZERO "valid" questions.

You should just STFU

700K a year? Why would you even TRY to pass on such BS that can be checked so easily?

https://www.salary.com/research/salary/posting/harbor-pilot-salary/baltimore-md

Oooooh Refer Boy is "ascared."Paranoia of the truth. Go back to puffing Colorado.

Probably the only man who can really tell the story has not been publicly heard from yet....that would be the chief engineer, and maybe his first officer.
I cannot imagine the pressure he must be under...liability claims, insurance underwriters, NTSB, Maersk, USCG, owners, battalions of lawyers...Jeffery Epstein had it easy.

The NTSB has interviewed the ship’s captain, his mate, the chief engineer, and one other engineer, according to NTSB Chair, Jennifer Homendy. The two pilots are to be interviewed today.

Lloyd's carries several Billion Dollar policies with the Singapore Registered Carrier. (Reported)

Why was Joey out there saying the American Taxpayers will foot the bill?

Dementia? Stupidity? Freudian slip?

Not good with geography and road systems..
And didn't she say Baltimore river...?

Not a fan of Biden, but I think it's important to get the bridge back up ASAP. If the U.S. pays for it, to make it happen more quickly, they can recover the funds from Lloyd's when that process is complete.

Because by the time Lloyd's pays - everyone on this forum will be dead and buried. US gov gets it rolling/pays now because this is a fairly important port. When the insurance checks come in finally - they're turned over to the government.

It's in the nation's interest to expedite the clearing and rebuild. Waiting on a lengthy insurance process of assigning blame isn't recommended.

The Lloyd's insurance covers the boat and what it hit. Shared insurance covers the cargo. The insurance companies for all the BCO's and the ship owner will argue over what % of clean up was due to cargo, what % was due to ship. Then they're all going to discuss if the owner or the operator of the boat is at fault or does the charter company (Maersk) bear responsibility. Do the Baltimore Port Pilots? - all of those competing insurance companies will argue about this for the next 10 years+

Baltimore needs the port open now.


Honestly - they should be asking the SeaBees for help as clearing this is WELL within their wheelhouse of skills.

Exactly, get the harbor opened back up, asap.

Had this have happened in China the lanes would most likely be open by Monday[at the latest].

I assume tho - we're operating a little slower to recover bodies. China wouldn't, they'd dynamite the thing and go. I get that. But you ARE talking about tons of metal, debris in what, 45 feet of water and a monster current. Plus it's not like that debris and metal is there like legos and will come apart easily. It's a pile of work for sure.

Reports I heard this AM was that the powers have moved to 'removal' today[bridge, not bodies].

5 OSHA monitors for each man working....

LOL! Because it is True! The Money Changers want that loan.

You must be a Coast Guard guy...

LOL scared of what, dipshìt? A numbnuts like you who can't even spell? A dipshìt who thinks the insurer is already writing a check for an amount that's currently unknown?

I don't know beans about the Seabees...but I know something about marine construction...I would opt for the biggest marine construction contractor in the Chesapeake, with the most heavy lift capability...and offer them a time contingent bonus contract and get out of the f...king way. Done.

I suspect a tech guy that knows the software for the ships control system could extract the events as they happened in an hour or less. Most industrial and safety systems run a historian. Government might not think to approach it from that angle though.

Either an..

1. Act of terrorism

2. Accident

3. Act of war

Prove one, show evidence.. not might have been, could have been circumstantial BS.

Is it true the ship was loaded with toxic waste. They said something about that on the news last night. My 10 year old daughter was watching with me and said if that boat was full of toxic waste it was probably crashed by some bad guys on purpose.

Probably just an accident but I wouldn't be surprised at all to hear it was deliberate sabotage. Imaging the damage a bunch of bad actors could do to our infrastructure if we were stupid enough to let a bunch of unvetted people in. But, no one in the world wants to destroy our country as much as the democrats do.

Bb

Some of the containers have contain hazardous materials.

Hazardous but anything actually called out.

NTSB Chair Jennifer Homendy said there are 56 containers aboard containing hazardous materials, including corrosives, flammables and lithium ion batteries.

That's 56 containers on a ship that holds 9971 total.

Note. I have no idea what happened but I do know is the government is full of dishonest cretins and I really don't think the truth will ever be known.

Seems like a nudge from Putin for Biden and Co. to mind their damn business.

We'll not get it, but I do believe a full reveal would lead us to a better understanding of the issue.

It appears that Mrs. Logan knows more about this issue and other methods of modern warfare than she discussed with Steve Bannon yesterday.

She posted this on X today:

BALTIMORE UPDATE: Analysis from specialists in predictive behavioral analytics, counter-terrorism, hazardous materials, maritime attacks, cyber, national security & intel – this is their view:

Based on their training & experience, they believe this was two types of operation:

1) “Penetration testing” where they are probing/testing to identify vulnerabilities in our responses and defences,

AND

2) a shaping operation to set the conditions and prepare the battlefield for a potential future event.

The concern is that other critical infrastructure disruptions/hits recently that appeared to be independent, isolated events, MAY not be. For example, the Ohio chemical disaster, train derailments, fires at food processing plants etc when taken in isolation do not appear to be that significant but when taken together, could indicate shaping or stacking operations that are paving the way for a bigger event where they do any number of these types of operations together. That could potentially paralyze the U.S..

So the critical question our government should be answering right now is this:

“When will they trigger a multiple episode that causes the paralysis effect?”

Some of the indicators are how many incidents have occurred within “a relatively short timeline” & what they see as the departure from what is “normal”.

They believe those in charge will make sure the investigation into the bridge crash “goes nowhere quick”.

And one of the goals here is to give the public mental anesthesia while they test this, using train derailments or exposure to chemicals in Ohio where they told everyone to shelter indoors – to ask questions like: Did they comply? Is this going to successfully deceive & cause behavioural change?

They use the media to create the assumptive narrative – do not want the facts analyzed because they do not want people processing the truth. Truth naturally leads to questions they do not want asked.

But it would be “foolish and naive at the expense of national security not to question the Government narrative on the Baltimore bridge crash given the level of corruption in spheres of power and influence in this country today”.

With many years of experience in “spoofing” – the tactic used in cyber warfare to hack into someones’s system and deceive in order to achieve a certain outcome – they recognized multiple indicators watching the video that tell them the GPS signal was likely hacked. It would have led them to believe they were not as close to the bridge as they were and may be why in the video you see the crazy lean to port and then to hard starboard as they realized they were not on course in spite of the GPS indicating they were.

In information warfare terms, here are some of the tactics they see being used now that many of you will recognize:

1) Engineered complexity – where they throw in nonsensical variables (information) to distract. This is designed to keep you from serially processing multiple channels & give you processing overload that prevents you from toggling different channels of information.

IE: they create processing decoys to distract you from truth.

2) They are trying to reframe the issue by focusing on details that do not matter. They do this by throwing in a variable that is not relevant to the main equation.

3) Common sense, skepticism and intelligence are huge “overlays” that get in the way of manipulating human behavior so they analyze you to learn how to create channel overload as you toggle/handle different channels of information such as the speed of the boat, temperature of the water etc.

3) They need to load you up with enough variance to create channel overload so you create an error that they can use to discredit you. One way is to create doubt in yourself. Most effective because you make yourself less efficient when your brain is processing self-doubt. And it will propogate into the future.

“Population so much easier to dupe today than 20 years ago.”

https://twitter.com/laralogan/status/1773210393407639667

Dammit old man,

here ya' go trying to make sense of all the BS again.

He (she? probably not being from Singapore) may have just jumped ship and swam to the nearest taxi stand to get the hell out of dodge.

link

link

Maersk Engineer (note - an act of terrorism is usually not covered by insurance, so it would be in Maersk's interest for it to be that under force majeure, good luck)

No power, no steering.

I laughed! A lot!

Funny, on our siblings text string this morning one of them mentioned some Navy vessels stuck because of the wreck and how they can't get out. I mentioned that if the Navy wanted them out, they'd be out within a week.

Seabees or private contractors, wouldn't matter. Teal is likely on to something there with our societal norms requiring the dead be located first. Other societies might say F it, lets get this harbor open again.

This makes sense but how do you account for numerous videos that show the lights came on just a few minutes before the ship made a hard turn to starboard,which then forced it into a collision with a main structural support.

Her job is to sound authoritative so people will believe what she spins.

Apparently, she's good at it.

As said before - power comes back on, the ship's hard turn is actually prop walk due to it being single screw. Full astern will cause the stern to swing to port, essentially lining the ship/effectively bow to starboard. It's a physics thing.

I think we're going to find that it's bad fuel taking down systems/generators - flintlocke was onto that early.

Also it's been reported now that they were having system failure before leaving.

Linky

The ship lost power in a narrow channel and ran aground. Its really that simple. Happens all the time except this time there was a bridge in the way.

Modern container ships have very little redundancy. Their only purpose is to go from point A to point B as efficiently as possible so most of them have a single low speed diesel engine that's connected directly to the propeller. No reduction gears, thus no reverse capability, e.g. the ability to slow down or stop quickly. When the tugs pull it off the pier they start the engine and the propeller starts turning. Then at some point the tugs leave and from that point forward everything relies on the ability to control the rudder to steer. Without steering the ship is at the mercy of momentum, wind and current.

"aww come on man"

This seems odd:

https://twitter.com/liz_churchill10/status/1773409969192235189

Your theory makes sense, Teal. But are you not believing the reports that the propulsion never came back on, and the black smoke was from the backup generator?

I think some of the data recording stopped while the power was out.

This engineer HERE has said that the smoke isn't diesel generator out the stack but main propulsion as fuel pressure comes up.

In the vid that Geno re-posted above the author thought the smoke was from them trying to get the engine restarted. Not clear that was successful.

Even better explanation.

These days the LAN most PLCs are connected to is just VLAN'd off from the WAN. Either that or the PLC network contains a remote device that VPNs up to the internet. This is done for remote support purposes, diagnostics, centralized maintenance, etc.

I read one account where port authorities indicated the pilot radioed loss of control, lost the mains, emergency diesel was started, he ordered port anchor drop, but they couldn't get propulsion back in time to avoid the collision.

The real investigation is why did they lose the mains during maneuvering in a narrow channel under pilot pilotage.

I'm ignorant about these things, but one would think a data recorder would have battery backup. Maybe the people that set up the data recorder were the same one's that set up the CCTV for Epstein's cell. Just simple incompetence? That sounds plausible.

Looking at this collision as a single incident may obscure the big picture.

It appears to me that Mrs.Logan has been researching far more than just this collision.

Her credentials are impressive and I would not readily dismiss her warnings.She has established contacts with former intell officers and spec ops guys and numerous other warriors who have been warning about such attacks for years.

Old news. Try to keep up. Salary’s for pilots have shot up post COVID. I am literally sitting on boat with someone who knows.

Google can only get you so far.

I absolutely do believe such things are coming. Likely several in different stages of planning. I think they're coming soon. Those "military aged men" coming over the border each day are only "military aged" so long so they have a shelf life so to speak. And considering how controlling China is with people (look what they've done to Jack Ma over simply criticizing central banking there) - there's no way all those Chinese, military aged males are here without purpose.

There wasnt any incompetence with Epstein. He was murdered. Doc who did the autopsy said as much

Lol.

Life would be better for you if you took that 2x4 out of your arse.

Wonder what changes will be made so something like this wont happen again

For those interested, the dude's video, from before the one I re-posted from Steve's post, shows the ship's actual track just as one would see on the navigation screen on their bridge, or on AIS if one is watching at home, or in the company office.



The ship may look like it made a "hard turn" but that is the effect of perspective and the size of the vessel. If one looks at the track if becomes relatively obvious that a 990' + long ship is not making a hard turn, it might be attempting to but can't given momentary loss of power, the vessel has already slewed off course, and ships 3 football fields long Do Not make hard turns in a short area or distance. (unless perhaps with the help of some tugs)

As is evident on the picture of the track the ship was following, it was not anywhere near as sideways to the bridge during its approach as the camera angle on the videos makes it appear to be.

I'd sure like to have the time and real interest in finding out wind speed (direction is evident from the smoke) and current speed and direction at that point in the harbor when the ship lost power. Maybe someone else will dig that info up.


I'm taking bets that in the future the Port Authority there will start requiring tug assistance until ships are out of the harbor completely. That will be heavily resisted by shipping companies as those tugs are not cheap and they will likely charge by the hour.

See my post there,

I'm guessing tug assistance until out of the harbor, Maybe out past the #1 buoy even?

The VDR does have battery backup to record the bare minimum of data. When power was lost the full complement of VDR data stopped and the battery backup continued recording the specified data. Once power came back the VDR started recording again. Dropping the port anchor wouldn’t stop a vessel that size and weight going 7+Kts. but it should have POTENTIALLY changed the course of the vessel to port, even dragging hard. I can’t imagine dropping the port anchor and keeping the rudder hard to starboard…as soon as you get propulsion back from either backup systems or your mains you’ll be pushing a lot of water over that hard to starboard oriented rudder which is counterintuitive to knowing that you need to swing to port. It’s never a single thing that causes catastrophic accidents but rather it’s a combination of bad decisions that create the error chain, break a single link in that error chain and things might be drastically different. Coincidentally I’m currently reading a book about Marine Casualties written by a friend of mine who is an unlimited international Master with 300,000 miles at sea. This accident will be interesting once all is known but there’s too much unknown right now to make the final call.

The GOV will take over all shipping operations , country wide, forthwith! Problem solved!

Here are some more salient facts I found this morning.

Baltimore is one of the largest ports on the eastern seaboard of the United States. It is the fourth largest port on the East Coast by total tons of cargo handled.according to the https://www.bts.gov/

The port is the twelfth largest container port in the U.S., according to Ryan Peterson, the CEO of Flexport.


It was ninth in terms of the tonnage according to the governor of Maryland.

It was the first in terms of the volume of automobiles and light trucks,including 847,158 cars and light trucks.

It is also the second largest terminal for coal exports, handling around 74 million tons of coal last year, according to Bloomberg.

Peterson of Flexport stated that between the Red Sea crisis and the loss of Baltimore’s port,shipping will move toward the West Coast,where the Chicomms control a substantial number of those ports.

I watched a report last night that claimed that Baltimore handled more cargo as far as monetary value than any other port in the USA.I've not been able to establish this as fact,yet.

That makes most sense. I cant believe they werent already requiring that

For sure. Gov will swoop in and fix it all haha

Next bridge will be built with dolphins and I bet they review all others and require them for old bridges without.

It's all about the money.

Ships don't often require that assistance once underway. Shipping companies don't want to pay for what's not normally needed. Actuarial tables likely figured the odds of it happening are so low, "we'll take our chances".

Just look at building in flood zones. Every time the Mississippi or some other big river overflows its banks, they just rebuild.

With the insurance companies refusing to write new policies for Cali due to their losses in wildfires and maybe quakes, when will see Allstate and Progressive stop writing in flood prone areas???

You think dolphins would have helped that crash? Honest question.

What type of companies do want to pay for what’s not needed, brother Geno?

As far as insurance actuary tables, I bet they all get updated now for municipal type projects (bridges, highways, etc). Nothing is the same price as just three years ago. They may have been using 5 year old construction costs when they were weighing the cost of a tug boat escort. And what were the ODDS a ship would take out the most important structural support?

Assuming they hit the dolphin the same was as they did the support - maybe. I could see it hitting one, pinwheeling the ship sideways and getting stuck, either on the 2 dolphins (adjacent supports) or into another support. That's one big boat with a ton of weight. Wedged sideways with the currents... be a bad deal.

I don't know that it prevents the bridge failure - we're talking a really unfortunate event.

Maybe a dolphin buys time to get power/steering or at least, slow enough to get bow thrusters to work.

But absent zero bridges, I think dolphins will be the solution selected for this.

The odds of it hitting one of those supports, on either side of the main shipping channel, were much higher than hitting one of the other supports as the ship HAS to go between them when staying in the shipping channel.

But, how many ships have gone through there safely since the bridge was built? And if it's rebuilt, how many could get through without another incident? Might be the first ship through..............might be the millionth one.

Honestly, most folks don't realize how much traffic goes under that bridge, or any other one crossing a major port. And I tend to agree, why would a shipping company (the companies that will likely be required to pay) want to pay for something that has a 1:1000 chance of occurring, or maybe less even.

Our house sits on the high side of our seasonal creek and therefor not in the flood zone for requiring flood insurance. Doesn't mean in a really big year we won't get flooded, just that the odds are less. So we're not spending more on flood insurance............but maybe we should.

My comment about companies not wanting to pay for tug assistance is just that...........it's all about the money, and they're nothing wrong with their thinking. If the pilot of the ship had thought conditions warranted tugs, he would have requested them and the company would have had to hire them. I'm guessing the pilot just figured it would be a routine trip until he climbed down the ladder to the boat to take him back to shore.

If those authorities determine tugs are needed all the way out in the future, it's just one more thing to add to the inflation LGB says isn't that bad.

Absolutely, positively true...modern mega bulk carriers are single purpose, lego built, cookie cutter ships, built as cheaply as possible,manned by the cheapest labor with a high turnover rate, Filipinos, Indians, Indonesians, Chinese officers. To get your head around it, think Ryder Rental truck, with a driver hired off the curb at Home Depot.
Sadly the days of well built ships with features of redundancy and longevity in mind, with the Chief Engineer there from the day the keel was laid, through sea trials, through a good portion of the ship's useful life are long gone. This incident is just a symptom of an industrial disease.

Oh, that's not a pretty picture in my mind. A 1000' vessel caught up on the dolphins, sideways to traffic and the current, upstream of a bridge. Yikes.

As you say though, they might buy some time. Maybe for the tide to change and push it back off the dolphins even?

But damn, if it sat there for awhile, all that tonnage pushing on them, hoping they held. Gives me shivers thinking about it.

Good points

Ive already made it known that I do NOT know jack chit about this kind of thing lol. What are dolphins?

Obviously so.

The only thing I can figure here is a sort of "false flag" "cry wolf" .. do it deliberately so many times regarding so many things that when the real thing happens, regardless of what it is, nobody takes it seriously. That or maybe an attention whore looking for clicks.

I would bet any improvements deemed necessary after this, if any, fall on the ship design and operation.

Geno, you mentioned 1 to 1,000 could be the odds of that structural column being struck by a passing ship, I’d guess it’s much smaller of a chance by a few orders of magnitude. Statistically speaking, you’d have a probability when everything is normal then start reducing the chance dramatically when you enter in any mechanical failures they find occurred within a certain vicinity of the bridge .

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dolphin_(structure)

Nobody is here to spoon feed you. Have one of the orderlies at the Home show you how to use a search engine.

Thanks.

Probably right about orders of magnitude, especially if including commercial fishing vessels, recreational ships, Navy, etc.

I don't remember when that bridge was built but I bet there's been 1000+ big ships under that going to those docks in the harbor.

The Dali appears to have beaten the odds.

Dolphin is a delicious fish, "Mahi Mahi" in Spanish. They don't lead ships safely to harbor (or out) or make love to sailors. That's a porpoise. They have a purpose but are endangered by fossil fuels in the ozone. They are intelligent but AI made them obsolete. I have nothing more useful left to contribute to the conflabrugation.

Large bumpers basically in the water on both the inbound/downbound side. Usually round and concrete from ones I've seen.

Dude,

look scheidt up if you're not sure.

Mahi Mahi is from Hawai'i

the fish, dolphin, is called dorado in Spanish.

Jeebus

Big concrete ones below some of the dams on the Columbia/Snake.

Lots of wooden, piling types everywhere.

Big bumpers is right and sometimes a place to tie off and wait for traffic to clear so you can proceed.

Now I'm confused. I thought dolphin was the meat I'm getting in my can of tuna.

Nah, not no more. they have dolphin safe nets now.

Wife had some of them delphiniums...they wouldn't stop no ship I ever seen...I wouldn't eat one, even with tunny...but the deer liked 'em.

Used to go to our town's yard waste facility and scoop up any hostas people dropped off in the fall. Deer went nuts for them. That and broccoli.

dangit all to hell, y'all are gettin off topic again.

I have a hard time with delphinimums. But the deers can't get them unless they get over a 6' fence and the whippets won't like that one bit.

Time for more tunnels..

The bridge was the approved Hazmat and oversize or over-dimensional route that services the harbor. Regulations state - no Hazmat in tunnels for obvious reasons. OD/OS - same issues.

Jorge...

A man with his priorities in order!

aWW, poor fat loser getting her panties in a wad. Wheres that cumglia roach dude? Here could flick your bean a bit if it would make you feel better

Thank you

And thank you

Yep. Bagged a carrier load of squid wives back in the day.

So, when that bridge was built the average freighter was probably…what…40,000 tons? Bumpers, dolphins, whatever you call them should probably be included in the design of any new bridge. Because it seems like the odds are nearly one hundred percent that a ship that loses power for whatever reason while transiting through there is apt to hit that bridge. Should probably plan on it happening again.

TEU wise - when built, the ships were about 1/3 the size of the Dali. BUT that port handles more than just container ships.

Per this - don't know how accurate, average ship tonnage in 1970 was a hair over 200k

Tonnage.

Modern machines are complex and sh!!!t happens. Bring on more of those conspiracy theorists, never ending.

Agree morons that buy into crazy psyops

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A friend from the neighborhood became an Infectious Disease doc, a Green Beret Medic in Viet Nam and subsequently was a reservist in the Army. A great guy, veteran causes are important to home and excellent doctor. He knows both Dr. Fauci and Dr. Osterholm and said they are both excellent in their field, some of the best.

So those are two men that you want on your side.

If we still have the people that know how, maybe they will consider a suspension bridge this time...something like Verrazano-Narrows or Golden Gate.
Skip the dolphins and sheer walls.
The Hoover bypass bridge was farmed out to Oyabashi...after many f...kups and a fatality...it was eventually completed. We could always hire the Japs again.

Maybe they learned their lessons about winds in that canyon after a measly gust took all four of their tower cranes down and forced traffic to detour around the dam for awhile? Including me having to take a 4-5 hour trip to get home from work instead of 45 minutes or so?

But, as it stands now it's a kinda nice bridge.

Again, it all makes sense. But that Commentary by Buckley III talks about the "Captain" doing all kinds of things. Is he meaning to refer to the Pilot? And the NTSB, I think, is saying that the Pilot recognized that the propulsion was out, never came back, and the only order he gave was to drop the port anchor. Perhaps that's wrong, but, as gifted as Buckley III may be, he wasn't there, and I assume the Captain wasn't issuing orders. Again, I could be wrong.

I think the train tracks on the bridge over stressed it.😳

The Environmental Disaster here is very concerning, the most concerning. At least the air pollution is abated temporarily. Imagine the state of the disturbed seabed at this moment? We must be very careful. Get this right!

LMAO....

The seabed in Baltimore is about 2' or mercury, 3' of lead and 10' of arsenic.

Need proof?

Just look at... or speak to your average Baltimore resident...

BINGO...

Thanks for posting that...

I worked at the Fort McHenry decades ago... watched like 4,000 cars come out of one ship... Hyundais maybe... I forget.

The RO-RO freight at Baltimore will be the hardest to divert. Not a lot of other ports with the knowledge/facilities to do so.

I have no personal knowledge of RO-RO freight, but I will concur with you... because you do. There will impacts.

Wilkshunter referenced cement (I think)... that will be another big hit.

Who knows what else.

Lotta pts to ponder..but never forget China is at war with the rest of the world and they have Joe biden in their pocket. The very same people who dumped on purpose C-19 on the world. They will do whatever they think they can get away with to further their goals. Killing a few hundred or a thousand people by collapsing a bridge isn't one of them but destroying critical infrastructure might be. Personally I'll be hard pressed to think they aren't involved somehow. Argue all you like because I don't care what you keyboard experts think. Oh and happy easter..mb

That’s a Bridge too Far. (East)

I was having a conversation with a friend of mine yesterday and he was telling me about the ship he was stationed on almost running into the Arizona Memorial at Pearl Harbor. He said they were going in reverse at about 15 knots and lost power. Had it not been for 2 tugs they'd have ran right over it. He called it dirty fuel and said it happened more than once. Ship lost power long enough to really put them in a bad situation.

Well those Baltimore leftard communists hate capitalism anyway. Was he high on cocaine?

Funny post.

Far too much smoke for even a big diesel generator.

No they will let China handle it.

There's an Army Corps of Engineers district office right there in Baltimore, and anther one in Philly. They do a lot of dredging and harbor maintenance construction contracts, and well as civil and vertical construction. They'll get emergency funds and get the contractors onboard quickly. WHoever has those contracts will do well, just like hurricane cleanups.


ETA, I'm talking the cleanup and getting the harbor re-opened, re-building the bridge will take some time.

The eight construction workers were on break when the bridge collapsed. They were all sitting in their cars.

The two bodies they recovered were in a car.

Make of this what you will.

Interesting in that he makes note at about the 22:30 mark that there's a channel coming in from the left, pointing directly at the stern of the vessel, with an outgoing tide running. Hmmmm?

Navel History is full of ships running over each other, hitting piers, running ashore, etc. It's amazing how much time major vessels spent in repair over such events.

A ssholes are always trying to capitalize on someone's problem and don't mind putting out bullshit to boost it up!! Bastards oughta be gored with a hollow horn!!