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I remember after E. Palestine OH, train derailments were in the news all the time. Now they're not - doesn't change the fact that the US averages 3 of them a day...
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A question:
Why do the conspiracy theorists want this to be an "attack?"
The consequences of such an attack would be serious...
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A question:
Why do the conspiracy theorists want this to be an "attack?"
The consequences of such an attack would be serious... Very. As in world changing?
The desert is a true treasure for him who seeks refuge from men and the evil of men. In it is contentment In it is death and all you seek (Quoted from "The Bleeding of the Stone" Ibrahim Al-Koni)
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I remember after E. Palestine OH, train derailments were in the news all the time. Now they're not - doesn't change the fact that the US averages 3 of them a day... 3 derailments a day with the environmental and public health implications? That’s scary as Fück
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A question:
Why do the conspiracy theorists want this to be an "attack?"
The consequences of such an attack would be serious... In my lifetime - I've never seen the DNC fail to use such a thing, a tragedy, to garner more control over US citizens. Be it a new hoop to jump through or a tax or whatever. If the conspiracy is that this was cyber, we know about it and aren't saying - do you really believe they'd not use this as a precursor to putting more regulation on the average American? Enhanced TWIC cards or some form of monitoring/reporting to the .gov etc? There's been zero calls for any of it or even no calls to "reduce our reliance on fossil fuels - instead of that diesel/electric boat - all electric".
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I’m still reeling from the GloboHomoNaziPedoJewCabal that has set hundreds of wildfires, recruited and brainwashed all these folks for mass shootings (not to mention the crisis actors), and blowed up all the food production facilities.
Now the bridges!?!?!
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A question:
Why do the conspiracy theorists want this to be an "attack?"
The consequences of such an attack would be serious... Very. As in world changing? If you look at this board, the argument is essentially for a type of isolationism. So, if you want that, this being an "attack," cyber or otherwise, is antithetical to their desires. Ironically, the accident theory suits their ends much better. Odd.
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I remember after E. Palestine OH, train derailments were in the news all the time. Now they're not - doesn't change the fact that the US averages 3 of them a day... 3 derailments a day with the environmental and public health implications? That’s scary as Fück Vast majority of derailments are very localized in nature and don't have much impact other than gouging up the dirt and tracks. But the train still comes off the rails - a lot.
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I remember after E. Palestine OH, train derailments were in the news all the time. Now they're not - doesn't change the fact that the US averages 3 of them a day... 3 derailments a day with the environmental and public health implications? That’s scary as Fück Vast majority of derailments are very localized in nature and don't have much impact other than gouging up the dirt and tracks. But the train still comes off the rails - a lot. I get it. But from what I understand the derailment in E Palestine involved pretty hazardous material. I’d say that warrants coverage? Unless that’s happening 3 times a day then it’s a severely under reported slice of modern American life
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A question:
Why do the conspiracy theorists want this to be an "attack?"
The consequences of such an attack would be serious... It's a contest to see who can come off as more cynical, jaded, and all-knowing about what's really going on.
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Ship is named Dali and hires a Ukrainian captain in January. 5 years after Q says Bridge the Dali takes out the Bridge and Salvadore Dali had a famous painting named The Broken Bridge.
2 weeks before this Trump said we would experience deep state attacks.
Pure Quincidence. Painting done in 1945. 5 yrs ago Q said, bridge will be hit. Q is modern day Nostradamus. We need incoming ariel post to clear this up.
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A question:
Why do the conspiracy theorists want this to be an "attack?"
The consequences of such an attack would be serious... IMHO, it gives them another conspiracy theory to agonize and obsess over... It provides a distraction from their boring, routine everyday lives. Just my two cents... Cheers!
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It seems to me that there is some VERY WELL FOUNDED skepticism on display here, and nothing more. Nothing worth arguing over. Even the left knows the govt isn't honest, so I'm not sure why that's debatable?
If the govt had earned our trust, as they used to, decades ago, we wouldn't have this discussion at all would we?
Let's just say, shipwreck aside, the govt has earned all our mistrust and more. Individual people long since retired may or may not have intel that helps clarify events, but that's secondary to the real issue, which is Americans current distrust of our govt. First? At what time could any people trust their government? Even the people of the US? Theories abound, back to the 19'th century. We blew up the Maine. We let the Japs bomb Pearl Harbor. We killed JFK We orchestrated 9-11 We organized Benghazi to take out a whistle blower. etc, etc Hell, I might even give credence to a couple of these. But the Dali, No fugging way. It crashed in the most spectacular way possible. But it was a one in a million chance that it would work out that way. Killing power to the vessel, which probably could have been done remotely, certainly gave no guarantee she would take out the bridge. The most likely scenario would have been a dead vessel in the harbor channel. Experts have already told us that such a vessel has no steering without the screw turning. It is thrust of the prop against the rudder that moves the stern over. Without the engines, the ship could not be steered into the bridge support. If a terrorist wanted to assure a catastrophic event, he would max out power and take control of steering. He would leave nothing to chance.
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I remember after E. Palestine OH, train derailments were in the news all the time. Now they're not - doesn't change the fact that the US averages 3 of them a day... 3 derailments a day with the environmental and public health implications? That’s scary as Fück Vast majority of derailments are very localized in nature and don't have much impact other than gouging up the dirt and tracks. But the train still comes off the rails - a lot. I get it. But from what I understand the derailment in E Palestine involved pretty hazardous material. I’d say that warrants coverage? Unless that’s happening 3 times a day then it’s a severely under reported slice of modern American life Nope - agree. E Palestine was hazmat and the burning of it wasn't smart. Just saying, after that every little bump and bruise of a train was reported like it "all of the sudden was happening" - nope. Always had been happening, small scale, sometimes large. Same will be for boats for a while. That's all I'm saying. Mishaps happen - rarely are they massive in scale but when one is - that then heightens awareness of all mishaps in that mode and it becomes a constant barrage of "sky is falling -we're under attack!"
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One engineer stated 30 seconds top before emergency generator powered up back up rudder hydraulics. Cyber attack is a red herring to dismiss any possibility of intentional act. 45’ draft at 8 knots would not suddenly turn either way. But it did according to one video of the reported track. 5 minutes straight ahead clears the danger. Why did the ship steer into the bridge instead? A natural question and obvious isn’t conspiratorial.
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What you mean is that there are more people just like you who heard one wingnut's unfounded yammering and then repeated it. I clearly stated I dont know what to believe. Why is it so hard for some of you to believe this? WE are at war and we have already destroyed Russias pipe line. Is it such a hard jump to maybe consider that this was retaliation? Funny how it hit in the only spot that would guarantee to drop the bridge in one of the biggest ports in our country. Alot of coincidences dont you think? Some of you want to jump on anyone who questions the craziness that is happening in this world,, but I find it much worse to be on the side of questioning nothing. Guess some havent learned a damn thing from the last few years The lightening speed with which the .gov totally and absolutely discounted "terrorism" completely clouds my judgment on this issue. The rapidity and vigor with which they made their proclamation causes my belief of same to be inverse to their claims. (I think they are lying their faqking asses off.) Agreed. Funny how China owns and manages the Dali and Joey never mentioned it.
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A question:
Why do the conspiracy theorists want this to be an "attack?"
The consequences of such an attack would be serious... It conforms with their "We are under attack" narrative, and victim mentality.
You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.
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What you mean is that there are more people just like you who heard one wingnut's unfounded yammering and then repeated it. I clearly stated I dont know what to believe. Why is it so hard for some of you to believe this? WE are at war and we have already destroyed Russias pipe line. Is it such a hard jump to maybe consider that this was retaliation? Funny how it hit in the only spot that would guarantee to drop the bridge in one of the biggest ports in our country. Alot of coincidences dont you think? Some of you want to jump on anyone who questions the craziness that is happening in this world,, but I find it much worse to be on the side of questioning nothing. Guess some havent learned a damn thing from the last few years The lightening speed with which the .gov totally and absolutely discounted "terrorism" completely clouds my judgment on this issue. The rapidity and vigor with which they made their proclamation causes my belief of same to be inverse to their claims. (I think they are lying their faqking asses off.) Agreed. Funny how China owns and manages the Dali and Joey never mentioned it. To be accurate - an investment holding company based in Hong Kong owns the company that owns the ship out of Singapore and the management company out of Singapore. It was chartered to a Dutch company and US pilots were on it when it hit the bridge.
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I’m still reeling from the GloboHomoNaziPedoJewCabal that has set hundreds of wildfires, recruited and brainwashed all these folks for mass shootings (not to mention the crisis actors), and blowed up all the food production facilities.
Now the bridges!?!?!
Oy Vey……We’re gonna die. It's the End of The World. Jesus is coming for you!
You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.
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