I would try as is or the Ernie’s. The Timney is really a lateral move that just costs you money. Until trigger tech comes out with their long threatened MOA trigger, I’m not compelled to replace the whole thing.
I would try as is or the Ernie’s. The Timney is really a lateral move that just costs you money. Until trigger tech comes out with their long threatened MOA trigger, I’m not compelled to replace the whole thing.
I might try backing out the set screw as shown in the video.
Looking for some Winchester Model 70 MOA trigger guidance. Did some quick looking and found 3 options.
Ernie the Gunsmith out of AZ has a spring for $15, read mixed opinions on this. Mcarbo has a spring for $20ish Timney full trigger replacement $180
Is there a viable 4th option?
Just get the Ernie spring. There are no "mixed reviews", that I've ever seen. Post them if you want, but of the 10+ rifles I've replaced the spring with the Ernie the gunsmith spring, the pull weight was brought down to 2.5 pounds. A couple even 2 3/8 pounds consistently.
Going to a Timney is a total lateral move. Except it will make your wallet lighter for no reason.
Sorry, there is no other option at the moment. Except call Browning and thank them, for putting their trigger in the model 70, when it didn't need to be messed with.
Originally Posted by raybass
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style.
Originally Posted by Pharmseller
You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole.
i have 3 Baco 70's... ordered 3 Ernie's springs... little to no improvement at all... ordered 3 M-CARBO spring kits... slightly better, but still not worth the bother & $ IMO... couldn't get any of Ernie's much under 3.5 lbs, M-CARBO's 3.25 lbs... it required a "Trigger Job" to smooth the trigger to get them under 3 lbs... the 280 is now @ 2 lbs... 7x57 @ 2&3/8 lbs... 30-06 @ 2&1/2 lbs IIRC... if i buy another Baco 70, i will do a "Trigger Job" first, before i switch springs... i like the M-CARBO springs better... but no matter which ones you buy, don't get cheap!... Order several extra as spares because they vary in pull weight!...
i have 3 Baco 70's... ordered 3 Ernie's springs... little to no improvement at all... ordered 3 M-CARBO spring kits... slightly better, but still not worth the bother & $ IMO... couldn't get any of Ernie's much under 3.5 lbs, M-CARBO's 3.25 lbs... it required a "Trigger Job" to smooth the trigger to get them under 3 lbs... the 280 is now @ 2 lbs... 7x57 @ 2&3/8 lbs... 30-06 @ 2&1/2 lbs IIRC... if i buy another Baco 70, i will do a "Trigger Job" first, before i switch springs... i like the M-CARBO springs better... but no matter which ones you buy, don't get cheap!... Order several extra as spares because they vary in pull weight!...
Have played with a few of these myself, Ernie spring works great. Alternatively, cut 1/4 turn off the existing spring and re-test. Repeat until you achieve your desired weight. This won't fix the floppy trigger though. I do so despise the MOA triggers as compared to the original...
i have 3 Baco 70's... ordered 3 Ernie's springs... little to no improvement at all... ordered 3 M-CARBO spring kits... slightly better, but still not worth the bother & $ IMO... couldn't get any of Ernie's much under 3.5 lbs, M-CARBO's 3.25 lbs... it required a "Trigger Job" to smooth the trigger to get them under 3 lbs... the 280 is now @ 2 lbs... 7x57 @ 2&3/8 lbs... 30-06 @ 2&1/2 lbs IIRC... if i buy another Baco 70, i will do a "Trigger Job" first, before i switch springs... i like the M-CARBO springs better... but no matter which ones you buy, don't get cheap!... Order several extra as spares because they vary in pull weight!...
I call bs on this.
Originally Posted by AU7MM08
Originally Posted by 7mm_Loco
i have 3 Baco 70's... ordered 3 Ernie's springs... little to no improvement at all... ordered 3 M-CARBO spring kits... slightly better, but still not worth the bother & $ IMO... couldn't get any of Ernie's much under 3.5 lbs, M-CARBO's 3.25 lbs... it required a "Trigger Job" to smooth the trigger to get them under 3 lbs... the 280 is now @ 2 lbs... 7x57 @ 2&3/8 lbs... 30-06 @ 2&1/2 lbs IIRC... if i buy another Baco 70, i will do a "Trigger Job" first, before i switch springs... i like the M-CARBO springs better... but no matter which ones you buy, don't get cheap!... Order several extra as spares because they vary in pull weight!...
You want to sell me an Ernie spring?
Chances are, he won't because he never bought an ernie spring. These are super simple to change out, adjust and end up with a 2 3/8-2.5 pound trigger pull. No need to look any further than the erniethegunsmith spring kit for the MOA. That is about the best fix on the market right now. There's no pulling the trigger apart and further "fine tuning". It's just not going to happen. As for the MOA itself, it's a fine box trigger. They break clean, with little to no creep, but as I've stated before, Browning should have just left the olstyle model 70 trigger in it. There was nothing wrong with that proven design.. But, it's Browning and they just had to put their own spin on it. One of the reasons I call them a Browning and not a Winchester..
Originally Posted by raybass
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style.
Originally Posted by Pharmseller
You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole.
JFC!!!... just trying to be helpful & share experiences... if someone wants Bonafidees, send me a # via PM and i will attempt to send a pic of said springs!... as to the "not gonn'a happen" trigger work... i wet sanded the contact surfaces of the trigger(mostly avoiding the actual break edges of the actuator & sear) using progressively finer Klingspor wet or dry adhesive backed sandpaper (400, 600, 800 grit)... i stuck the paper on to flat glass & used WD-40 as a lube, then polished with mothers Mag/Aluminum polish... it made them much lighter pull & much more consistent... based on my limited experience, I CALL BS... i can't believe 10+ rifles were bought down to 2 1/2 lbs & less, consistently, by just swapping to Ernie's spring!...
i have 3 Baco 70's... ordered 3 Ernie's springs... little to no improvement at all... ordered 3 M-CARBO spring kits... slightly better, but still not worth the bother & $ IMO... couldn't get any of Ernie's much under 3.5 lbs, M-CARBO's 3.25 lbs... it required a "Trigger Job" to smooth the trigger to get them under 3 lbs... the 280 is now @ 2 lbs... 7x57 @ 2&3/8 lbs... 30-06 @ 2&1/2 lbs IIRC... if i buy another Baco 70, i will do a "Trigger Job" first, before i switch springs... i like the M-CARBO springs better... but no matter which ones you buy, don't get cheap!... Order several extra as spares because they vary in pull weight!...
You want to sell me an Ernie spring?
i used the best Ernie spring in one of my rifles... the next best one i ruined trying to shorten it to reduce pull weight... the last one, the cull (around 4 lbs pull IIRC) i still have... you are welcome to it for current pricing + the ride... PM for pic lol...
Probably have posted this before, but I have a Model 70 in stainless ( 1993 bought new) with the old style trigger and it breaks at 2.3 lb. Cannot remember ever adjusting it been so long, but I probably did. Have a BACO M70 in 243 bought new in 2012 and it breaks at 2.8 lb.....both hunting guns so not trying to win a shooting match with them. Like others have said, Winchester had the best trigger design going and Browning comes along with their design and messed up a gun that would have been better than a Pre 64 in my opinion.
Fire Retardant clothing on here, but I have (8) of the FN Baco M 70's, several New Haven M 70's and a Pre 64 Model 70. I have had 50% luck with the Ernie's springs, some went to 3 pounds or less, some would not go below 4 pounds. On a whim I ordered a Timney for my Super Grade in French Walnut, it will not be my last. Remove and replace trigger, great crisp 2.5 pound pull.