The Injuns and Warren Buffet have pushed hard for the Klamath Dams Removal....Time will tell, but the Klamath River Dams removal project will be a testament to 'indigenous knowledge'. The first 2 dams of the 4 were taken out, behind schedule, and instead of a staged release, they just let 'er rip...moving hundreds of thousands of tons of clay silt into the river...uncounted fish kill and crayfish...what crayfish cannot survive muddy water? It must have been bad. So they are off to a bad start, with the biggest 2 dams to go. The Injun 'environmental and cultural advisors' on the project, hired at insane salaries at the get go, are completely silent on the 'mud flood' aquatic kill. This is shaping up as another Keystone pipeline debacle...Injun experts with no experience whatsoever shaping policy. You and I pay for it...and Warren Buffet whether it works out well or not, has had a huge albatross removed from his investment portfolio...also at the peoples expense.
I read about this. It actually looks like an environmental catastrophe and now they've halted removal of the third dam?
They were supposedly here for 10k years, depending on who's reporting, before whites. Yet, with all that knowledge, they didn't have steel knives or spear points, glass beads, guns, whiskey, horses, or any metal anything. They didn't have the wheel, medicine beyond a witch doctor, not even matches to light a fire. So where is that 'Indigenous knowledge' that they're famous for?
My brother-in-law pointed out that at the same time American indians were painting stick figures on sandstone cave walls in the southwest, Michaelangelo was painting the Sistine Chapel. That is a profoundly stark comparison of the differences in two cultures and civilizations.
They were supposedly here for 10k years, depending on who's reporting, before whites. Yet, with all that knowledge, they didn't have steel knives or spear points, glass beads, guns, whiskey, horses, or any metal anything. They didn't have the wheel, medicine beyond a witch doctor, not even matches to light a fire. So where is that 'Indigenous knowledge' that they're famous for?
My brother-in-law pointed out that at the same time American indians were painting stick figures on sandstone cave walls in the southwest, Michaelangelo was painting the Sistine Chapel. That is a profoundly stark comparison of the differences in two cultures and civilizations.
They were supposedly here for 10k years, depending on who's reporting, before whites. Yet, with all that knowledge, they didn't have steel knives or spear points, glass beads, guns, whiskey, horses, or any metal anything. They didn't have the wheel, medicine beyond a witch doctor, not even matches to light a fire. So where is that 'Indigenous knowledge' that they're famous for?
My brother-in-law pointed out that at the same time American indians were painting stick figures on sandstone cave walls in the southwest, Michaelangelo was painting the Sistine Chapel. That is a profoundly stark comparison of the differences in two cultures and civilizations.
They were supposedly here for 10k years, depending on who's reporting, before whites. Yet, with all that knowledge, they didn't have steel knives or spear points, glass beads, guns, whiskey, horses, or any metal anything. They didn't have the wheel, medicine beyond a witch doctor, not even matches to light a fire. So where is that 'Indigenous knowledge' that they're famous for?
My brother-in-law pointed out that at the same time American indians were painting stick figures on sandstone cave walls in the southwest, Michaelangelo was painting the Sistine Chapel. That is a profoundly stark comparison of the differences in two cultures and civilizations.
The Injuns and Warren Buffet have pushed hard for the Klamath Dams Removal....Time will tell, but the Klamath River Dams removal project will be a testament to 'indigenous knowledge'. The first 2 dams of the 4 were taken out, behind schedule, and instead of a staged release, they just let 'er rip...moving hundreds of thousands of tons of clay silt into the river...uncounted fish kill and crayfish...what crayfish cannot survive muddy water? It must have been bad. So they are off to a bad start, with the biggest 2 dams to go. The Injun 'environmental and cultural advisors' on the project, hired at insane salaries at the get go, are completely silent on the 'mud flood' aquatic kill. This is shaping up as another Keystone pipeline debacle...Injun experts with no experience whatsoever shaping policy. You and I pay for it...and Warren Buffet whether it works out well or not, has had a huge albatross removed from his investment portfolio...also at the peoples expense.
I read about this. It actually looks like an environmental catastrophe and now they've halted removal of the third dam?
Reliable information is sketchy, but the story currently being circulated by the California Globe is: Kiewit has stopped drilling on the lowest dam, an earth/clay core dam (Irongate Dam) as a result of a conflicting study by the leading expert, Steven Koshy, on earthen dams, predicting a disastrous uncontrolled release of liquified clay. Then the email between Fed Electric Reg Commission and Kiewit, an order to stop drilling, has been scrubbed and disappeared. Hmm. In the meantime, yesterday, an appeal from Lt Gov of Calif (Newsom missing in action?) for billions of emergency aid from the US Commerce Dept to address disastrous loss of Salmon stocks in the Klamath and Sacramento river systems. No word on dam removal silt load fish kill, climate change is the reason in the request, is it hush money for affected residents and sport and commercial fishing interests? This dam removal project was going to be the icing on the Greenies agenda cake, but it may be an epic disaster. Hope I'm wrong.
Well this is a fine pickle we're in, should'a listened to Joe McCarthy and George Orwell I guess.
They were supposedly here for 10k years, depending on who's reporting, before whites. Yet, with all that knowledge, they didn't have steel knives or spear points, glass beads, guns, whiskey, horses, or any metal anything. They didn't have the wheel, medicine beyond a witch doctor, not even matches to light a fire. So where is that 'Indigenous knowledge' that they're famous for?
I grew up on a reservation. I think maybe as our society has catered to the lowest common denominator, it has made indigenous knowledge appear more relevant by comparison. The weather rock was common on the reservation. It was a rock about the size of a golf ball suspended on a string, by which indigenous people could tell the weather. If it was swinging back and forth, they knew the wind was blowing. If it was wet, they knew it was raining. They always chose a dark colored rock. That way if it was white, they knew it was snowing. Earthquakes were not common but I imagine if it was bouncing up and down, that would indicate an earthquake. Either that or the cat was playing with the weather rock.
Consider another opportunistic variation on the senseless socialistic agendas and "please make me feel good about myself" agendas of our times.
If: "queers are normal and make up 40% of the population"; wholesale flooding with unchecked migrants is good; women should reign supreme, can choose to be one of several genders and are not definable; greedy sociopaths like Fauci can bring about mass injury and destruction in a society; etc. as you can list -
then why should "indigenous knowledge" not be a guiding force and principle?
Indigenous peoples of what is now the USA: No written language No accumulation of knowledge No science No math No roads No bridges No wheel No sails No metallurgy No stone works
Hunter gatherers with primitive agriculture. What they did have: Unbelievably abundant resources Tribal culture Polygamy Mysticism Endless tribal conflict and wars Enslavement of their conquered enemies Dirt mounds
As always, it is about the money. Money for the politicians who approve such shenanigans. Money for the grifters who espouse such shenanigans. Money for the tribal leaders to "go along".
All the average American tax payer gets out of the deal is another day older and deeper in debt --> taxes...
Having lived around a few reservations for 65 years. I wonder how anything got passed from generation to generation. Drunken elders don't remember from day to day, let alone century to century. But then there's always one or two old ladies, that tell stories of the past, when the dementia slows and anyone will listen. Not one group from, the artic to the tip of south america, even figured out the most important invention of the world, The Wheel.!!!!!!!! The majority of native rolls have as much white, and black as they do native blood. The tribes should be disbanded and the land divided equally among the members. What happens after that is their responsibility... Ymmv
An now lawyers for the tribes have whispered in their ear… Ancestral trauma Blood memory De-colonization Sports mascots, bad Museum exhibits of native artifacts, bad
A check will do nicely to ease the pain.
"I was born in the log cabin I helped my grandfather build"
They were supposedly here for 10k years, depending on who's reporting, before whites. Yet, with all that knowledge, they didn't have steel knives or spear points, glass beads, guns, whiskey, horses, or any metal anything. They didn't have the wheel, medicine beyond a witch doctor, not even matches to light a fire. So where is that 'Indigenous knowledge' that they're famous for?
Leaving Australia tomorrow after 2 weeks here. I'm taking a few hours of quiet time in the Sydney hotel while the 3 women (Tom is sometimes the worst) take a $100 city tour. Not my thing to run around looking at buildings, much less pay that kind of money for it.Two weeks of non-stop chatter - somr of it on it'd 3rd or 4th circuit - has me around the bend... farther! . Can't they just STFU for a couple hours? (NO!)
There is knowledge and there is knowledge....I was thinking much the same a few days ago- the Abos knew their stuff, for their minimlist, subsistence on -the-edge-of-starvation hunting/gathering lifestyle, and who is to say it wasn't better to leave it so? It was certainly adequate - sort of - to their needs. "Necessary" invention is a mother, and all that.... They had like 40,000 years to fix the place up, and didn't. It wasn't due to a lack of intelligence or critical thinking. In many ways, our industrial/inventive culture isn't doing any favors for either the world or our (and many other) species. It certainly makes our lives easier, if more demanding and hectic.
Why fix it if it ain't broke? Tinkering up conveniences, and their maintainence, just leads to more work. My stable of toys attests to that. If staying alive takes up most or all your time, where is the time for invention and manufacture of "conveniences", even to make life easier? Much like conservation can only be afforded by wealthy cultures. Truely poor ones may not ever have the manpower to fug it up too much, tho the Maori seem to have managed it somewhat in extincting some flightless birds in NZ on their arrival. They did not need up-scale (relatively) tools that helprd extinct the do-dos and passenger pigeons, and almost the American bison.
If your level of knowledge is adequately meeting your needs, why look elsewhere- especially if you haven't a clue there is an "elsewhere". If it appears tho, no-one seems to turn it down, while still trying to maintain the familiar staus quo. No one likes change if it doesn't benefit one directly.
Can't say western civiliation here or the Americas has really benefited the natural environment, nor the working survivalist knowledge of it the Abos and NA natives had or have. Which doesn't mean they ain't making chit up as they go, for the bucks. Certainly they are quick to adopt other western tech and bad habits. I also learned early on in my co-hab in Eskimo villages that "joking" the white guy is a fine and popular sport.
People who live in grass houses shouldn't stow throwns, or something like that.
Supposedly, most or all cultures have a flood story - but I wonder how many of these came to them umpteenth hand over fireside chats - or firewater. Eskimos have related to me mammoth-hunting stories, which I stronly suspect were not handed down through the generations, but (ahem) "adopted" once those big bones, tusks, and teeth were explained to them. Still, who knows?
there are no "indigenous" people in Morth America. Even the injuns migrated here from other continents.
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Whatever. Tell the oompa loompa's hey for me. [/quote]. LtPPowell
Having lived around a few reservations for 65 years. I wonder how anything got passed from generation to generation. Drunken elders don't remember from day to day, let alone century to century. But then there's always one or two old ladies, that tell stories of the past, when the dementia slows and anyone will listen. Not one group from, the artic to the tip of south america, even figured out the most important invention of the world, The Wheel.!!!!!!!! The majority of native rolls have as much white, and black as they do native blood. The tribes should be disbanded and the land divided equally among the members. What happens after that is their responsibility... Ymmv
Let me relate a quick story of the "land divided equally among members". Back in the early 50's the members of the Klamath Tribe petitioned the Bureau of Indian Affairs to get title to their land, a huge tract of valuable timber and grazing land from Ft Klamath to Beatty OR. It was accomplished. Party time...they squandered it all, selling to ranches and timber companies. Then, the next generation sued the BIA, saying, you had no right to deed away our tribal lands. BIA settled...bought back most of the lands at a premium (not to worry, it's your money), and turned it back into tribal lands. In the early 70's the Injuns again petitioned BIA to get the land deeded back to enrolled members. Party time, phase II. And now (2021) finally the tribe have reacquired a couple of key pieces of the old Rez. Which you payed for, by the way. I am not pointing my finger at the Injuns so much...I am pointing my middle finger at the Bureau of Indian Affairs. As usual, I ask, Is there ANYTHING the US government can do competently?
Well this is a fine pickle we're in, should'a listened to Joe McCarthy and George Orwell I guess.
. Can't they just STFU for a couple hours? (NO!)