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News report says they are starting with three jets now with more to follow.
https://www.eglin.af.mil/News/Artic...e-to-be-modified-for-autonomous-testing/

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EGLIN AIR FORCE BASE, Fla. - The 96th Test Wing and 53rd Wing welcomed the first three F-16 Fighting Falcons ready to take part in the Viper Experimentation and Next-gen Operations Model – Autonomy Flying Testbed program.

VENOM-AFT is designed and funded to accelerate testing of autonomy software on crewed and uncrewed aircraft. VENOM-AFT complements the Autonomy Data and AI Experimentation proving ground at Eglin and informs the Collaborative Combat Aircraft program and other autonomy developers.

USAF has been working toward a drone wingman tech for a while. One F 35 with a few drones out in front a few miles to take all the risks.

What could go wrong?

If you can not find a USAF pilot willing to drop bombs on American Citizens, just send a drone to do it.


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Makes sense. F-16 is more capable than any pilot can fly it.

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Originally Posted by Idaho_Shooter
If you can not find a USAF pilot willing to drop bombs on American Citizens, just send a drone to do it.

LOL, didja just get home from hysterics training?



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Originally Posted by Futura
Makes sense. F-16 is more capable than any pilot can fly it.
Yup, they flew a radio controlled version back in the mid-seventies. The aircraft can pull more Gs that a human body can tolerate, the onboard computer limits the flight controls so a pilot doesn't break themselves... 🤭

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Originally Posted by smokepole
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If you can not find a USAF pilot willing to drop bombs on American Citizens, just send a drone to do it.

LOL, didja just get home from hysterics training?

You are obviously correct. DC will have no trouble, nor has any entity ever had trouble finding minions to follow any order given.

Human nature is as it has been for 10,000 years. It will not change in the next 100 years.


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Originally Posted by Idaho_Shooter
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If you can not find a USAF pilot willing to drop bombs on American Citizens, just send a drone to do it.

LOL, didja just get home from hysterics training?

You are obviously correct.

Thank you. It wasn't hard to figure out, since the last time the US Air Force dropped bombs on American citizens was a long long time ago.



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Originally Posted by smokepole
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If you can not find a USAF pilot willing to drop bombs on American Citizens, just send a drone to do it.

LOL, didja just get home from hysterics training?

You are obviously correct.

Thank you. It wasn't hard to figure out, since the last time the US Air Force dropped bombs on American citizens was a long long time ago.



Semantics?

Not USAF,
How about the Philthy Poleece?
1985.


If it's gotta be Federal troops?
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1932 on Veterans wanting their bonuses early.
Bunch of WWII hero generals were involved in that.


In 1921 the Army Air Force threatened to bomb coal miners in West Virginia.
Ordered by Billy Mitchell.


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Noi, No, the feds would NEVER turn weapons on Citizens.

Well not unless they were worthless POS Deplorables!


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Originally Posted by Idaho_Shooter
Noi, No, the feds would NEVER turn weapons on Citizens.

When was the last time the USAF dropped bombs on US citizens, numbnuts?

Oh, that's right. Never.



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1935 Europe: When was the last time ANYONE rounded up every Jew, Gypsy, and queer they could get their hands on, and then systematically executed 6 million of them?

Oh that's right....NEVER.

Do you think the red army in Russia did not use EVERY weapon at their disposal to eliminate the white army.

We are the White Russians 100 years later. The reds will use every tool at their disposal to eliminate us.

One might remember the recent events in what was once Yugoslavia to gain a clue.


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Originally Posted by Idaho_Shooter
1935 Europe: When was the last time ANYONE rounded up every Jew, Gypsy, and queer they could get their hands on, and then systematically executed 6 million of them?

Oh that's right....NEVER.

Do you think the red army in Russia did not use EVERY weapon at their disposal to eliminate the white army.

We are the White Russians 100 years later. The reds will use every tool at their disposal to eliminate us.

One might remember the recent events in what was once Yugoslavia to gain a clue.

LOL, fess up. This is jaquartz, ain't it.



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Originally Posted by smokepole
Originally Posted by Idaho_Shooter
If you can not find a USAF pilot willing to drop bombs on American Citizens, just send a drone to do it.

LOL, didja just get home from hysterics training?

Lol

Lots of emotional outbursts on the ‘fire lately.

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Where are all of boomers salivating for a world war 3?

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Wonder why they would be testing that chit in a highly populated state like Florida vs. one of the desert bases like Fallon,Nv, etc ?

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Because the Gulf of Mexico?

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Smokepole: "When was the last time the USAF dropped bombs on US citizens, numbnuts?

Oh, that's right. Never."
Mitchell was dispatched by President Harding to West Virginia to stop the warfare that had broken out between the United Mine Workers, Stone Mountain Coal Company, the Baldwin–Felts Detective Agency, and other groups after the Matewan Massacre. On August 26, Mitchell commanded Army bombers from Maryland to Charleston, West Virginia. Mitchell told the press that Army bombers alone could end the "Mingo War" by dropping tear gas on the miners. Technically you are correct because the USAF had not been constituted yet but your patronizing manner is noted. You may also want to review the Bonus Army affair starring Macarthur and Patton, the Haymarket affair and the Minneapolis Teamsters strike.

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The US Navy has been testing some stuff. smile

This was back in 2013:


X-47B Completes First Carrier-based Arrested Landing
video posted to YouTube on Jul 10, 2013

"The X-47B Unmanned Combat Air System (UCAS) demonstrator completed its first carrier-based arrested landing on board USS George H.W. Bush (CVN 77) off the coast of Virginia July 10."

YouTube channel: U.S. Navy




And from 2021:



The MQ-25 Conducts First Unmanned Aerial Tanking
video posted to YouTube on Jun 7, 2021

"NAVAL AIR SYSTEMS COMMAND, PATUXENT RIVER, Md. - The MQ-25™ program successfully conducted the first ever aerial refueling operations between a manned receiver aircraft and unmanned tanker June 4 from MidAmerica Airport in Mascoutah, Illinois."

YouTube channel: U.S. Navy


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Thanks BFaucett,

It has seemed like a huge waste of resources to tie up fighter/attack aircraft as fuel trucks. I am glad to see the Navy is getting an alternative.


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A place name that is probably spelled wrong (and pronounced wrong) more often that it is done correctly.


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Originally Posted by Futura
Makes sense. F-16 is more capable than any pilot can fly it.

Ties in pretty Well with these:


https://americanmilitarynews.com/20...theyll-need-f-16s-to-take-on-government/

https://www.militarytimes.com/news/...ne-came-after-months-of-internal-debate/


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A place name that is probably spelled wrong (and pronounced wrong) more often that it is done correctly.

LOL, Guilty as charged. I guess the dyslexia got me again.


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Originally Posted by smokepole
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If you can not find a USAF pilot willing to drop bombs on American Citizens, just send a drone to do it.

LOL, didja just get home from hysterics training?



How is he wrong? You think that can't happen under the likes of biden and the other commies?


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Wasted a lot of gas getting ready for the cat shot. I can’t believe that so many personnel we allowed to stand ahead and to the right of the drone that was landing at the end.


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Where are all of boomers salivating for a world war 3?



You're really starting to sound like a dumfuk.


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This escalated quickly...

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This escalated quickly...


Always does...


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There sure are a lot of America haters that want to live here...



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Originally Posted by Idaho_Shooter
If you can not find a USAF pilot willing to drop bombs on American Citizens, just send a drone to do it.
You got your bunker built? Nice and deep, where nobody knows about it?


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Originally Posted by local_dirt
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Originally Posted by Idaho_Shooter
If you can not find a USAF pilot willing to drop bombs on American Citizens, just send a drone to do it.

LOL, didja just get home from hysterics training?



How is he wrong? You think that can't happen under the likes of biden and the other commies?


Do you think there are no legitimate military uses for these drones? Do you really think they're retrofitting F-16s for the purpose of bombing US citizens?

Don't you think the US government could find much easier and cheaper ways to do that?



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Originally Posted by Dillonbuck
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Originally Posted by Idaho_Shooter
Originally Posted by smokepole
Originally Posted by Idaho_Shooter
If you can not find a USAF pilot willing to drop bombs on American Citizens, just send a drone to do it.

LOL, didja just get home from hysterics training?

You are obviously correct.

Thank you. It wasn't hard to figure out, since the last time the US Air Force dropped bombs on American citizens was a long long time ago.



Semantics?

Not USAF,
How about the Philthy Poleece?
1985.


If it's gotta be Federal troops?
Firing on American citizens?

Kent State is controversial, so


1932 on Veterans wanting their bonuses early.
Bunch of WWII hero generals were involved in that.


In 1921 the Army Air Force threatened to bomb coal miners in West Virginia.
Ordered by Billy Mitchell.

That last one you mentioned happened in Beckley WVa, Raleigh County. That is where my grandmother was from, and there are a zillion people there I am related to. A 'funny thing' about that is a bomber had a problem that crashed and killed the pilot and bombardier. They happened to be from over here in Medford in Jackson County, the next county from where I live here in Oregon.

I came across a memorial back in West Virginia near Beckley where the bomber crashed, and it mentioned that they were there to intimidate coal miners during a Strike. It was a memorial for the crew that was from Medford OR, 25 miles from where I live now.

I grew up in Metro DC, Northern Virginia. Folks worked for the Government their entire careers. Mom for 60 years total, and my step Dad, was a retired AF Colonel for 26 years, and then after a brief retirement, worked for the State Dept as USAF representative for the United State for SEATO for another 24 plus years. He just passed in November at 93 y/o.

They taught me not to respect the Federal Government back in the early 70s when I was in college. They were in positions to be able to inform me, WHY to not respect those who run the Federal Government and abuse the power they are given, for personal and political reasons.

Robert Byrd of WVa was my grandmother's first cousin. Al Gore Senior was my step dad's Uncle, and Al Gore Jr, his first cousin...Al Gore' Seniors wife, was sister to my grandmother on that side of the family. I'm also related to Mark Meadows on my mom and Grandfather's side. Mark Meadows is a carbon copy of my Grandfather in looks.

Its not the government I was taught to distrust, it was the politicians I was taught not to trust.


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Originally Posted by smokepole
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Originally Posted by Idaho_Shooter
If you can not find a USAF pilot willing to drop bombs on American Citizens, just send a drone to do it.

LOL, didja just get home from hysterics training?



How is he wrong? You think that can't happen under the likes of biden and the other commies?


Do you think there are no legitimate military uses for these drones? Do you really think they're retrofitting F-16s for the purpose of bombing US citizens?

Don't you think the US government could find much easier and cheaper ways to do that?

God, are you still on about this?

Of course there are legitimate military uses for this technology. Those would include:
Stopping the Chinese invasion of Alaska as they try to grab those oil reserves.
Confronting those who would attack America's economic interests around the globe.
Suppression of insurrection.

Have we learned nothing from watching military action against the civilian population through the last 200 years. Was there not military equipment, manned by military personnel in Waco?

How many times has the military been called in to control a "Militia Group".

Every police force in the nation is outfitting itself with military grade hardware up to and including APCs as fast as they can acquire them.


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He has no command or understanding of history.


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Originally Posted by Idaho_Shooter
Originally Posted by smokepole
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Originally Posted by smokepole
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If you can not find a USAF pilot willing to drop bombs on American Citizens, just send a drone to do it.

LOL, didja just get home from hysterics training?



How is he wrong? You think that can't happen under the likes of biden and the other commies?


Do you think there are no legitimate military uses for these drones? Do you really think they're retrofitting F-16s for the purpose of bombing US citizens?

Don't you think the US government could find much easier and cheaper ways to do that?

God, are you still on about this?

Of course there are legitimate military uses for this technology. Those would include:
Stopping the Chinese invasion of Alaska as they try to grab those oil reserves.
Confronting those who would attack America's economic interests around the globe.
Suppression of insurrection.

Have we learned nothing from watching military action against the civilian population through the last 200 years. Was there not military equipment, manned by military personnel in Waco?

How many times has the military been called in to control a "Militia Group".

Every police force in the nation is outfitting itself with military grade hardware up to and including APCs as fast as they can acquire them.


LOL, am I still "on about this?" First, if you actually read the posts you'll see that local dirt asked me a direct question. The thing to do when someone asks you a direct question is to answer it. If that's OK with you, of course.

Second, you're the one who started the thread by implying that F-16s were being retrofitted for the primary purpose of dropping bombs on American Citizens which (once again) has never happened, and is not the case.

Third, you cited a few examples of military action against civilians, none of which involved the subject of this thread (you started) which is F-Fùcking-16s.

Fourth, if you actually read my post, I asked local dirt why the US government wouldn't use much easier and cheaper ways to take military action against civilians, if that was their objective. And your retort was to cite a few of those much easier and cheaper ways the US government has used to engage civilians.

Bravo, brilliant argument.



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Originally Posted by local_dirt
He has no command or understanding of history.


You have no command of the English language.



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So Eglin is correct?


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Originally Posted by smokepole
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He has no command or understanding of history.


You have no command of the English language.



Oh, but I do. I'll be happy to cross swords with you again. Just like last time. You boringly tiresome turd.


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Originally Posted by smokepole
Originally Posted by Idaho_Shooter
Originally Posted by smokepole
Originally Posted by local_dirt
Originally Posted by smokepole
Originally Posted by Idaho_Shooter
If you can not find a USAF pilot willing to drop bombs on American Citizens, just send a drone to do it.

LOL, didja just get home from hysterics training?



How is he wrong? You think that can't happen under the likes of biden and the other commies?


Do you think there are no legitimate military uses for these drones? Do you really think they're retrofitting F-16s for the purpose of bombing US citizens?

Don't you think the US government could find much easier and cheaper ways to do that?

God, are you still on about this?

Of course there are legitimate military uses for this technology. Those would include:
Stopping the Chinese invasion of Alaska as they try to grab those oil reserves.
Confronting those who would attack America's economic interests around the globe.
Suppression of insurrection.

Have we learned nothing from watching military action against the civilian population through the last 200 years. Was there not military equipment, manned by military personnel in Waco?

How many times has the military been called in to control a "Militia Group".

Every police force in the nation is outfitting itself with military grade hardware up to and including APCs as fast as they can acquire them.


LOL, am I still "on about this?" First, if you actually read the posts you'll see that local dirt asked me a direct question. The thing to do when someone asks you a direct question is to answer it. If that's OK with you, of course.

Second, you're the one who started the thread by implying that F-16s were being retrofitted for the primary purpose of dropping bombs on American Citizens which (once again) has never happened, and is not the case.

Third, you cited a few examples of military action against civilians, none of which involved the subject of this thread (you started) which is F-Fùcking-16s.

Fourth, if you actually read my post, I asked local dirt why the US government wouldn't use much easier and cheaper ways to take military action against civilians, if that was their objective. And your retort was to cite a few of those much easier and cheaper ways the US government has used to engage civilians.

Bravo, brilliant argument.

Uh....noooo! I did definitely not state the primary purpose of the conversion was for dropping bombs on civilians.

Just so you do not have to scroll back up to see for yourself again, this is the pertinent part of the post:

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USAF has been working toward a drone wingman tech for a while. One F 35 with a few drones out in front a few miles to take all the risks.

What could go wrong?

If you can not find a USAF pilot willing to drop bombs on American Citizens, just send a drone to do it.

Paragraph one: I specifically mention the PRIMARY purpose of the program. Drone wingman for attack or air to air engagements. They serve as sacrificial lambs to protect living pilots. They carry additional weapons, without the need for additional pilots.

Paragraph two: "What could go wrong?" This has been a grave concern among legislators and military brass since the original concept of autonomous weaponry was envisioned.

If the wrong target is attacked, there is no human in the cockpit to see the mistake and correct it.

Third Paragraph: I mentioned the possibility of drones being used to attack American Citizens. It was actually more than a bit tongue in cheek, and I was grinning when I wrote it.

Only a brain dead fool would preclude the possibility of such happening at some point in the future. Such is the nature of humor.

Next time I will conclude my comments with a (TIC), so that I do not offend your tender sensibilities.


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I’m not sure where the Air Force does their testing but the Navy has been fitting various tactical jets with drone packages for a long time at Point Magu. One of the T-28Bs we flew in Hawaii was set up as a drone control aircraft and one wing was “heavier” than the other because it had some extra radios or some such in the left wing.

With drones you can fly a real jet to the restricted area and set up the target aircraft in very challenging profiles to see if your missile can do what you think it should. It’s also a way to verify service life of missiles. We ALWAYS flew with missiles on board and their flight hours, landings and traps are tracked just like the aircraft. When one of its service life parameters is exceeded it’s taken out of service and relegated to testing. During missile shoots if the failure rate is too high during missile that means you are flying with them too long. If there are no failures that means you could carry them longer before they’re taken out of service.


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Thanks for that.

I recently saw another article about setting up a different set of F 16s as target drones, designated QF 16. I geuss this is an ongoing thing.

One would hope these aircraft are at end of service life.


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Originally Posted by Idaho_Shooter
Third Paragraph: I mentioned the possibility of drones being used to attack American Citizens. It was actually more than a bit tongue in cheek, and I was grinning when I wrote it.

LOL, nice backtrack but you're as full of shìt as a Christmas turkey. I'll concede your point and agree that you didn't say the primary purpose of the retrofitted F-16s was to bomb US citizens but your statement was definitely not tongue-in-cheek.

You defended the premise in several subsequent posts. Now you realize how silly it was. Better late than never I guess.



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He has no command or understanding of history.


You have no command of the English language.



Oh, but I do. I'll be happy to cross swords with you again.


LOL, "cross swords," very dramatic. Almost as dramatic as saying the US Air Force plans to bomb US citizens with F-16 drones.

You said I have no command of history, so go ahead and cite the history of the US Air Force bombing US citizens. And/or developing a specialized aircraft for that task.



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Originally Posted by smokepole
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He has no command or understanding of history.


You have no command of the English language.



Oh, but I do. I'll be happy to cross swords with you again.


LOL, "cross swords," very dramatic. Almost as dramatic as saying the US Air Force plans to bomb US citizens with F-16 drones.

You said I have no command of history, so go ahead and cite the history of the US Air Force bombing US citizens. And/or developing a specialized aircraft for that task.





Look it up yourself, fool.

I'm not wasting my time trying to justify anything to you, moron.

Everyone here knows our government is corrupt. Using the Air Force against citizens certainly isn't out of the question. They've already used rifles and tanks. Jan 6th wasn't a problem for them. And where are those people now.

Had your dumbass on ignore forever. Obviously, that's where idiots like you need to be.

So GFY. NOT MEANT AS A JOKE.


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Originally Posted by smokepole
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Third Paragraph: I mentioned the possibility of drones being used to attack American Citizens. It was actually more than a bit tongue in cheek, and I was grinning when I wrote it.

LOL, nice backtrack but you're as full of shìt as a Christmas turkey. I'll concede your point and agree that you didn't say the primary purpose of the retrofitted F-16s was to bomb US citizens but your statement was definitely not tongue-in-cheek.

You defended the premise in several subsequent posts. Now you realize how silly it was. Better late than never I guess.
You are an idiot.

You put words in my mouth, then jumped all over me for your words.

Everyone else "got it".

Maybe you need your funny bone augmented.


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Originally Posted by Idaho_Shooter
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Third Paragraph: I mentioned the possibility of drones being used to attack American Citizens. It was actually more than a bit tongue in cheek, and I was grinning when I wrote it.

LOL, nice backtrack but you're as full of shìt as a Christmas turkey. I'll concede your point and agree that you didn't say the primary purpose of the retrofitted F-16s was to bomb US citizens but your statement was definitely not tongue-in-cheek.

You defended the premise in several subsequent posts. Now you realize how silly it was. Better late than never I guess.
You are an idiot.

You put words in my mouth......

LOL, bullshìt. You not only said the words, you defended them more than once.



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You said I have no command of history, so go ahead and cite the history of the US Air Force bombing US citizens. And/or developing a specialized aircraft for that task.


Look it up yourself, fool.

I'm not wasting my time trying to justify anything to you, moron.

So GFY. NOT MEANT AS A JOKE.

There's nothing to look up, numbnuts.

Does this mean I'm off your Christmas card list now?

What a disappointment, LOL.



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Yes, I am quite sure that the Air Force would fire on Americans if so ordered. Anyone who believes differently is dumber than a turkey. Maybe not all of them, but someone could be found who would do it to “save democracy”.

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Originally Posted by smokepole
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Originally Posted by smokepole
You said I have no command of history, so go ahead and cite the history of the US Air Force bombing US citizens. And/or developing a specialized aircraft for that task.


Look it up yourself, fool.

I'm not wasting my time trying to justify anything to you, moron.

So GFY. NOT MEANT AS A JOKE.

There's nothing to look up, numbnuts.

Does this mean I'm off your Christmas card list now?

What a disappointment, LOL.



Like I said, turd. GFY. Moron.

You spend your days looking to start a fight wiith
someone.

Go get some sun, dumbass.

And btw, nobody’s lol' ing. Jerk.


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Yes, I am quite sure that the Air Force would fire on Americans if so ordered. Anyone who believes differently is dumber than a turkey. Maybe not all of them, but someone could be found who would do it to “save democracy”.



Exactly. They're "white nationalist" terrorists. Or, closer to home, "insurrectionists".


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I'm wondering who's going to pilot the drones remotely?

Which doesn't make sense anyway as they are primarily combat fighters not bombers. How do you dogfight remotely?

Unless they are to be enhanced with AI to handle real time fighting, then we'd have something...


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Originally Posted by local_dirt
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Yes, I am quite sure that the Air Force would fire on Americans if so ordered. Anyone who believes differently is dumber than a turkey. Maybe not all of them, but someone could be found who would do it to “save democracy”.


Exactly. They're "white nationalist" terrorists. Or, closer to home, "insurrectionists".

LOL, you guys better clue in Idaho shooter, he thinks the Air Force is turning F-16s into drones in case they can't find a pilot willing to drop the bombs on US citizens.

Of course, that blows right by the fact that drones have pilots, so there's that, LOL.



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They've been turning manned planes into unmanned drones since Korea. Usually to serve as targets for live-fire exercises. They use older planes that would have soon gone to the boneyard anyway. It's not a big deal.

Elgin is a wristwatch; the Air Force Base is Eglin.


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The spelling is Eglin, spell check tends to change it, to Elgin but the base is not just huge, it is one of the largest military complexes in the world by land mass size. It goes from near the Alabama state line to the Gulf of Mexico, then has thousands of square miles of ranges, plural, in the Gulf of Mexico. Every branch of service has a good size presence on Eglin, US Army (Ranger Jungle school Camp Rudder, 7th SF Group Hq), US Navy (Naval Warfare EOD school), State Dept (Embassy Counter Terroist training School) USAF (15th, 78th Air Force, AGGOS, AFSOC, USAF R&D Center) The RQS (rescue and SPl Ops) has a unit that has the largest concentration of PJs in one place in the world. Then they have a separate Unit for remote vehicles of all types for land and air. An of course Eglin is the home base of the special 130s, The Spectere AKC-130 gun ships and the Talons. Plus a Coast Guard Base.

This is the base where Dolittle practiced for the Tokyo raid, it has hosted many famous mission practice sessions, like the Son Tey raid, Iran IBM personell rescue, etc., including building entire towns and compounds plus it is used to train many friendly nation's personnel.

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I got my FAC training there (the school was jokingly called "FAC U") at Hurlburt Field, also known as Aux Field #9. Later, I served as the Chief of Public Affairs for the Armament Division for my two-week annual Reserve training. Eglin is where all USAF advanced weapons are developed and tested.

I'll be going back one last time in October to the Fini Reunion of Forward Air Controllers. We're all at or nearing 80 now, and there aren't many of us left.


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Originally Posted by smokepole
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Yes, I am quite sure that the Air Force would fire on Americans if so ordered. Anyone who believes differently is dumber than a turkey. Maybe not all of them, but someone could be found who would do it to “save democracy”.


Exactly. They're "white nationalist" terrorists. Or, closer to home, "insurrectionists".

LOL, you guys better clue in Idaho shooter, he thinks the Air Force is turning F-16s into drones in case they can't find a pilot willing to drop the bombs on US citizens.

Of course, that blows right by the fact that drones have pilots, so there's that, LOL.
You just can not let it go, can you.

Drones have pilots......yes today.

Have you ever heard of Artificial Intelligence, and progress. It will not be long until drones are fully autonomous, if some are not already. That is the goal.

Now, that you have been served your maximum allowable daily ration of education, I will only make note that humor is funniest when there is a kernel of truth in the joke.

You have been shown the kernel here numerous times.

When your audience is too dim to understand the joke, it will never be funny to him, no matter how many times it is explained.

With that acknowledgement, I give up.


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I don't know why someone didn't catch the Elgin/Eglin thing earlier in the thread.


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Originally Posted by Idaho_Shooter
Originally Posted by smokepole
Originally Posted by local_dirt
Originally Posted by JoeBob
Yes, I am quite sure that the Air Force would fire on Americans if so ordered. Anyone who believes differently is dumber than a turkey. Maybe not all of them, but someone could be found who would do it to “save democracy”.


Exactly. They're "white nationalist" terrorists. Or, closer to home, "insurrectionists".

LOL, you guys better clue in Idaho shooter, he thinks the Air Force is turning F-16s into drones in case they can't find a pilot willing to drop the bombs on US citizens.

Of course, that blows right by the fact that drones have pilots, so there's that, LOL.
You just can not let it go, can you.

Drones have pilots......yes today.

Have you ever heard of Artificial Intelligence, and progress. It will not be long until drones are fully autonomous, if some are not already. That is the goal.

Now, that you have been served your maximum allowable daily ration of education, I will only make note that humor is funniest when there is a kernel of truth in the joke.

You have been shown the kernel here numerous times.

When your audience is too dim to understand the joke, it will never be funny to him, no matter how many times it is explained.

With that acknowledgement, I give up.

Too funny. Say something really stupid and then pretend the guy who calls you out for it "just can't understand."

AI can't reliably and safely drive a delivery truck on land and you think AI will be used to pilot an F-16 and drop ordnance sometime soon.

That's hilarious.



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Originally Posted by smokepole
Originally Posted by Idaho_Shooter
Originally Posted by smokepole
Originally Posted by local_dirt
Originally Posted by JoeBob
Yes, I am quite sure that the Air Force would fire on Americans if so ordered. Anyone who believes differently is dumber than a turkey. Maybe not all of them, but someone could be found who would do it to “save democracy”.


Exactly. They're "white nationalist" terrorists. Or, closer to home, "insurrectionists".

LOL, you guys better clue in Idaho shooter, he thinks the Air Force is turning F-16s into drones in case they can't find a pilot willing to drop the bombs on US citizens.

Of course, that blows right by the fact that drones have pilots, so there's that, LOL.
You just can not let it go, can you.

Drones have pilots......yes today.

Have you ever heard of Artificial Intelligence, and progress. It will not be long until drones are fully autonomous, if some are not already. That is the goal.

Now, that you have been served your maximum allowable daily ration of education, I will only make note that humor is funniest when there is a kernel of truth in the joke.

You have been shown the kernel here numerous times.

When your audience is too dim to understand the joke, it will never be funny to him, no matter how many times it is explained.

With that acknowledgement, I give up.

Too funny. Say something really stupid and then pretend the guy who calls you out for it "just can't understand."

AI can't reliably and safely drive a delivery truck on land and you think AI will be used to pilot an F-16 and drop ordnance sometime soon.

That's hilarious.



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Originally Posted by smokepole
Originally Posted by Idaho_Shooter
Originally Posted by smokepole
Originally Posted by local_dirt
Originally Posted by JoeBob
Yes, I am quite sure that the Air Force would fire on Americans if so ordered. Anyone who believes differently is dumber than a turkey. Maybe not all of them, but someone could be found who would do it to “save democracy”.


Exactly. They're "white nationalist" terrorists. Or, closer to home, "insurrectionists".

LOL, you guys better clue in Idaho shooter, he thinks the Air Force is turning F-16s into drones in case they can't find a pilot willing to drop the bombs on US citizens.

Of course, that blows right by the fact that drones have pilots, so there's that, LOL.
You just can not let it go, can you.

Drones have pilots......yes today.

Have you ever heard of Artificial Intelligence, and progress. It will not be long until drones are fully autonomous, if some are not already. That is the goal.

Now, that you have been served your maximum allowable daily ration of education, I will only make note that humor is funniest when there is a kernel of truth in the joke.

You have been shown the kernel here numerous times.

When your audience is too dim to understand the joke, it will never be funny to him, no matter how many times it is explained.

With that acknowledgement, I give up.

Too funny. Say something really stupid and then pretend the guy who calls you out for it "just can't understand."

AI can't reliably and safely drive a delivery truck on land and you think AI will be used to pilot an F-16 and drop ordnance sometime soon.

That's hilarious.

You’re way behind the curve on AI.

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Be patient. It is coming: video games on steroids and amphetamines.

Remember this Nazi Germany had over grown fireworks (V1&V2) and they also had fly by wire/ wireline and radio controlled rocket and glide bombs made by Henschel(?).

Fast forward 20-30 years and we had Star fixing / orientating ICBMS. Take 40-50 years from WW2 and we were at Cruise missiles (V1 Doodlebugs been to school).

There is aot more computer programming power in students calculators and our mobile phones than the computers used to put Neil Armstrong on the Moon and safely home.

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Originally Posted by Houston_2
Originally Posted by smokepole
Originally Posted by Idaho_Shooter
Originally Posted by smokepole
Originally Posted by local_dirt
Originally Posted by JoeBob
Yes, I am quite sure that the Air Force would fire on Americans if so ordered. Anyone who believes differently is dumber than a turkey. Maybe not all of them, but someone could be found who would do it to “save democracy”.


Exactly. They're "white nationalist" terrorists. Or, closer to home, "insurrectionists".

LOL, you guys better clue in Idaho shooter, he thinks the Air Force is turning F-16s into drones in case they can't find a pilot willing to drop the bombs on US citizens.

Of course, that blows right by the fact that drones have pilots, so there's that, LOL.
You just can not let it go, can you.

Drones have pilots......yes today.

Have you ever heard of Artificial Intelligence, and progress. It will not be long until drones are fully autonomous, if some are not already. That is the goal.

Now, that you have been served your maximum allowable daily ration of education, I will only make note that humor is funniest when there is a kernel of truth in the joke.

You have been shown the kernel here numerous times.

When your audience is too dim to understand the joke, it will never be funny to him, no matter how many times it is explained.

With that acknowledgement, I give up.

Too funny. Say something really stupid and then pretend the guy who calls you out for it "just can't understand."

AI can't reliably and safely drive a delivery truck on land and you think AI will be used to pilot an F-16 and drop ordnance sometime soon.

That's hilarious.

You’re way behind the curve on AI.

OK, cite a current example of AI being used to drive delivery trucks. Not optimize routes or help with fuel efficiency, but fully autonomous driving.

I'll be waiting.



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Originally Posted by local_dirt
Originally Posted by smokepole
Originally Posted by Idaho_Shooter
You just can not let it go, can you.

Drones have pilots......yes today.

Have you ever heard of Artificial Intelligence, and progress. It will not be long until drones are fully autonomous, if some are not already. That is the goal.

Now, that you have been served your maximum allowable daily ration of education, I will only make note that humor is funniest when there is a kernel of truth in the joke.

You have been shown the kernel here numerous times.

When your audience is too dim to understand the joke, it will never be funny to him, no matter how many times it is explained.

With that acknowledgement, I give up.

Too funny. Say something really stupid and then pretend the guy who calls you out for it "just can't understand."

AI can't reliably and safely drive a delivery truck on land and you think AI will be used to pilot an F-16 and drop ordnance sometime soon.

That's hilarious.



Are you predicting the future now?

No, Idaho is predicting the future, numbnuts. I commented on the current situation.

English must not be your first language.



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Originally Posted by smokepole
Originally Posted by Houston_2
Originally Posted by smokepole
Originally Posted by Idaho_Shooter
Originally Posted by smokepole
Originally Posted by local_dirt
Originally Posted by JoeBob
Yes, I am quite sure that the Air Force would fire on Americans if so ordered. Anyone who believes differently is dumber than a turkey. Maybe not all of them, but someone could be found who would do it to “save democracy”.


Exactly. They're "white nationalist" terrorists. Or, closer to home, "insurrectionists".

LOL, you guys better clue in Idaho shooter, he thinks the Air Force is turning F-16s into drones in case they can't find a pilot willing to drop the bombs on US citizens.

Of course, that blows right by the fact that drones have pilots, so there's that, LOL.
You just can not let it go, can you.

Drones have pilots......yes today.

Have you ever heard of Artificial Intelligence, and progress. It will not be long until drones are fully autonomous, if some are not already. That is the goal.

Now, that you have been served your maximum allowable daily ration of education, I will only make note that humor is funniest when there is a kernel of truth in the joke.

You have been shown the kernel here numerous times.

When your audience is too dim to understand the joke, it will never be funny to him, no matter how many times it is explained.

With that acknowledgement, I give up.

Too funny. Say something really stupid and then pretend the guy who calls you out for it "just can't understand."

AI can't reliably and safely drive a delivery truck on land and you think AI will be used to pilot an F-16 and drop ordnance sometime soon.

That's hilarious.

You’re way behind the curve on AI.

OK, cite a current example of AI being used to drive delivery trucks. Not optimize routes or help with fuel efficiency, but fully autonomous driving.

I'll be waiting.



AI is developing DAILY. An example of what you can't seem to understand is an exploding science isn't necessary to convincemost peopleof that. What is current today is gone tomorrow, and a whole new set of advancements are in the history books.

You make yourself look very dim, continuing your attempt to crucify Idaho_Shooter.


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Originally Posted by smokepole
Originally Posted by local_dirt
Originally Posted by smokepole
Originally Posted by Idaho_Shooter
You just can not let it go, can you.

Drones have pilots......yes today.

Have you ever heard of Artificial Intelligence, and progress. It will not be long until drones are fully autonomous, if some are not already. That is the goal.

Now, that you have been served your maximum allowable daily ration of education, I will only make note that humor is funniest when there is a kernel of truth in the joke.

You have been shown the kernel here numerous times.

When your audience is too dim to understand the joke, it will never be funny to him, no matter how many times it is explained.

With that acknowledgement, I give up.

Too funny. Say something really stupid and then pretend the guy who calls you out for it "just can't understand."

AI can't reliably and safely drive a delivery truck on land and you think AI will be used to pilot an F-16 and drop ordnance sometime soon.

That's hilarious.



Are you predicting the future now?

No, Idaho is predicting the future, numbnuts. I commented on the current situation.

English must not be your first language.



You're make yourself look stupid without any nudging from me. I'll just let you continue your work. You obviously don't need any of my help accomplishing that.


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Originally Posted by local_dirt
Originally Posted by smokepole
Originally Posted by Houston_2
Originally Posted by smokepole
Originally Posted by Idaho_Shooter
Originally Posted by smokepole
Originally Posted by local_dirt
Originally Posted by JoeBob
Yes, I am quite sure that the Air Force would fire on Americans if so ordered. Anyone who believes differently is dumber than a turkey. Maybe not all of them, but someone could be found who would do it to “save democracy”.


Exactly. They're "white nationalist" terrorists. Or, closer to home, "insurrectionists".

LOL, you guys better clue in Idaho shooter, he thinks the Air Force is turning F-16s into drones in case they can't find a pilot willing to drop the bombs on US citizens.

Of course, that blows right by the fact that drones have pilots, so there's that, LOL.
You just can not let it go, can you.

Drones have pilots......yes today.

Have you ever heard of Artificial Intelligence, and progress. It will not be long until drones are fully autonomous, if some are not already. That is the goal.

Now, that you have been served your maximum allowable daily ration of education, I will only make note that humor is funniest when there is a kernel of truth in the joke.

You have been shown the kernel here numerous times.

When your audience is too dim to understand the joke, it will never be funny to him, no matter how many times it is explained.

With that acknowledgement, I give up.

Too funny. Say something really stupid and then pretend the guy who calls you out for it "just can't understand."

AI can't reliably and safely drive a delivery truck on land and you think AI will be used to pilot an F-16 and drop ordnance sometime soon.

That's hilarious.

You’re way behind the curve on AI.

OK, cite a current example of AI being used to drive delivery trucks. Not optimize routes or help with fuel efficiency, but fully autonomous driving.

I'll be waiting.



AI is developing DAILY. An example of what you can't seem to understand is an exploding science isn't necessary to convincemost peopleof that. What is current today is gone tomorrow, and a whole new set of advancements are in the history books.

You make yourself look very dim, continuing your attempt to crucify Idaho_Shooter.

LOL, yes I understand that AI is exploding and will change the way we do things numbnuts, but that wasn't the question. Cite an example of AI being used to drive a delivery truck autonomously, that was the question.

You make yourself look stupid every time you write something here.



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Like Idaho_Shooter has already told you, you fugking fool, I have no interest in educating you.

So Fugk off. Nobody is going to play your stupid games with you, you dumbass.


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Like Idaho_Shooter has already told you, you fugking fool, I have no interest in educating you.

So Fugk off. Nobody is going to play your stupid games with you, you dumbass.

LOL, sure thing numbnuts. You both keep saying that and you both keep responding.

It's not the interest in educating me that's lacking, it's the ability.



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Originally Posted by smokepole
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Like Idaho_Shooter has already told you, you fugking fool, I have no interest in educating you.

So Fugk off. Nobody is going to play your stupid games with you, you dumbass.

LOL, sure thing numbnuts. You both keep saying that and you both keep responding.

It's not the interest in educating me that's lacking, it's the ability.



Just die, you stupid c unt. You fugk up every thread you touch.

IBtw- have no problem beating it into your thick skull.

LMAO that YOU keep responding.. In between running to the mailbox every half hour for your government handout check.

Lol.

Dumb c unt.


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LOL, which government check would that be, local turd, I must've missed it. Not everyone is as lucky as you.

By the way, sorry I riled you up, but don't go away mad.

Just go away.



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Originally Posted by smokepole
LOL, which government check would that be, local turd, I must've missed it. Not everyone is as lucky as you.

By the way, sorry I riled you up, but don't go away mad.

Just go away.




ESAD, you useless turd. Lol.


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Originally Posted by smokepole
Originally Posted by Houston_2
Originally Posted by smokepole
Originally Posted by Idaho_Shooter
Originally Posted by smokepole
Originally Posted by local_dirt
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Yes, I am quite sure that the Air Force would fire on Americans if so ordered. Anyone who believes differently is dumber than a turkey. Maybe not all of them, but someone could be found who would do it to “save democracy”.


Exactly. They're "white nationalist" terrorists. Or, closer to home, "insurrectionists".

LOL, you guys better clue in Idaho shooter, he thinks the Air Force is turning F-16s into drones in case they can't find a pilot willing to drop the bombs on US citizens.

Of course, that blows right by the fact that drones have pilots, so there's that, LOL.
You just can not let it go, can you.

Drones have pilots......yes today.

Have you ever heard of Artificial Intelligence, and progress. It will not be long until drones are fully autonomous, if some are not already. That is the goal.

Now, that you have been served your maximum allowable daily ration of education, I will only make note that humor is funniest when there is a kernel of truth in the joke.

You have been shown the kernel here numerous times.

When your audience is too dim to understand the joke, it will never be funny to him, no matter how many times it is explained.

With that acknowledgement, I give up.

Too funny. Say something really stupid and then pretend the guy who calls you out for it "just can't understand."

AI can't reliably and safely drive a delivery truck on land and you think AI will be used to pilot an F-16 and drop ordnance sometime soon.

That's hilarious.

You’re way behind the curve on AI.

OK, cite a current example of AI being used to drive delivery trucks. Not optimize routes or help with fuel efficiency, but fully autonomous driving.

I'll be waiting.

Smoke I seriously doubt that the DOD and the aviation branches of our different military groups cares a whole bunch about autonomous truck driving.

As mentioned earlier, you’re way behind the curve on AI and its developing capabilities. You may be interested in what Janes and the ISW has said about AI and its promises for military use in both defense and offense as well as intelligence gathering.

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Both Ukraine and Russia are developing and fielding on a limited basis autonomous drones right now. Autonomy is necessary because electronic warfare is catching up and jamming the schit out of conventional drone. Autonomy makes them practically unstoppable. So, it’s coming and quickly.

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Originally Posted by local_dirt
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LOL, which government check would that be, local turd, I must've missed it. Not everyone is as lucky as you.

By the way, sorry I riled you up, but don't go away mad.

Just go away.




ESAD, you useless turd. Lol.

Damn, finally a post without a plethora of typos and grammatical errors, well done!!



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Originally Posted by Houston_2
As mentioned earlier, you’re way behind the curve on AI and its developing capabilities.

Yes, I'm sure this is true, unlike all of you military weapons systems experts on here.

It's also entirely beside the fùcking point which is, the US Air Force is not retrofitting F-16s so they can use them to bomb US citizens.



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What’s that got to do with whether the Air Force would drop bombs on US citizens?

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Originally Posted by smokepole
Originally Posted by Houston_2
As mentioned earlier, you’re way behind the curve on AI and its developing capabilities.

Yes, I'm sure this is true, unlike all of you military weapons systems experts on here.

It's also entirely beside the fùcking point which is, the US Air Force is not retrofitting F-16s so they can use them to bomb US citizens.

I never said that the military was doing that with F-16s to bomb US citizens. No one has claimed to be military weapons experts here.

I said that you are way behind the curve on AI and you obviously are.

And it is not at all beside the point. If you disbelieve that fighter jets and other models of aircraft are not being groomed for autonomous combat and defense roles then please educate yourself and simply check it out.

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Originally Posted by smokepole
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Originally Posted by smokepole
LOL, which government check would that be, local turd, I must've missed it. Not everyone is as lucky as you.

By the way, sorry I riled you up, but don't go away mad.

Just go away.




ESAD, you useless turd. Lol.

Damn, finally a post without a plethora of typos and grammatical errors, well done!!



You stupid twat, Making up stories and lies again. But, that's your MO. Saw it clearly in your Idaho_Shooter attack. Now, It's proven that you're just plain stupid in not understanding the advancements in AI.

Fugkin dumbass. You are who katie couric was talking about. Lol. 🤣


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I'll just leave this here:



You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.

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Thank A' Sniper.

Project Venom as mentioned in this clip is the reference I was making in the OP. The six aircraft being converted at EGLIN Air Base.

Nothing ominous sounding about "Project Skyborg" is there?

Perhaps it is fake news, with all that talk of autonomous aircraft?


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But can it drive trucks?

Heh!

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I'll just leave this here:




Hahahaha.

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Where's that idiot smokemole?

LMAO.


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No, honey. "It" is not going to bomb us citizens. It's biden and the rest of the DC commie scum we need to worry about. 😟


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In case anybody hasn't seen the X-47 close up. I was watching some video about its development from 11 months ago, and now it's ready for action. Pretty amazing how fast they got it operational.



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But can it drive trucks?

Heh!

LOL, the question is still, is the US Air Force retrofitting F-16s for bombing US citizens?

Idaho shooter thinks so.

And local tirt: blow me.

Don't get excited, it's a figure of speech.



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LOL, the question is still, is the US Air Force retrofitting F-16s for bombing US citizens?

Idaho shooter thinks so.

And local tirt: blow me.

Don't get excited, it's a figure of speech.

So now, after your mistaken assumptions have been corrected numerous times, it is apparent you choose to simply be a piece of schitt, bald faced fugging liar.

Good to know.

Just for S&G, I will correct you one more time.

Idaho_Shooter understands and conveyed in a joking manner that such a weapon system could possibly be used in such a manner at some point in the future.


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LOL, bullshìt. And GFY, but first, please point out where I lied. You not only said it, you defended what you said multiple times before you bactracked.

And you want to call me a liar. Anyone can go back and read it and see for themselves.


Not that I blame you for backtracking, it was a stupid fùcking thing to say.



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Well. So much for an adult level discussion about autonomous high-envelope aircraft. Which is the future, either glorified RC or AI.


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Originally Posted by Dave_Skinner
Well. So much for an adult level discussion about autonomous high-envelope aircraft. Which is the future, either glorified RC or AI.

It’s just now in its nascent form. The future is gonna be something to witness with all forms of aircraft and its technology development.

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