Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Handguns I don't know how this happened I don't even like a 9 mm

🙄🙄 they're very well maybe more in a safe if I dig around long... but I think I got them all..

They certainly be easy to shoot well, which I believe is the reason for the FBI’s return to them.

Mighty cute SBR, you got there.

That’s a pistol

Lod of police departments going back to 9mm. Our local sheriff's department went from Glock 22s in 40 to one of the 9mm Glocks

Bullet placement trumps all else but I understand your feelings. The 1911 in the pic looks really good. That AR would be very effective defending home and hearth. Practice ammo is easier to acquire and cheap. Enjoy them!

I've not owned one yet.

You need a glock

It's a pistol sporting a blade-style wrist brace.

well the shadow systems XP 9mm is basically a Glock 45..
I carried to Glock model 30 for years..

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Sometimes called a PCC (pistol caliber carbine)
That one looks like it takes Glock mags.
I have one that takes modified Uzi mags.
The trouble with them is at the range, you mow down all the targets in a few seconds.
Good clean fun though.

Nope. Not a PCC. Not a carbine of any variety. A pistol. That's why it doesn't require a tax stamp.

I remember in the mid 80s when the 9mm started gaining traction and replacing police revolvers, I swore that I'd never own one of the pip-squeaks. I own 4 handguns and one rifle in 9mm today. They get it done, inexpensively and with little fuss.

I remember back in the revolver days, cops I knew used to hate 9mm. They thought of them as criminal guns, and believed they could pass through anything. They thought they should be outlawed.

This always baffled me, and I'd assure them that their .38s were just about as powerful. One I said that to admitted that it was the high capacity of some of them that they didn't like people being able to have, assuming that if they were outlawed, criminals wouldn't be able to have them.

Geez, recently I was gifted a couple thousand 9mm cases, half of which are sized and primed, a couple heavy boxes full of commercially cast 9mm bullets (must be a couple thousand of them too), and a set of dies - and I don't even own a 9mm pistol. It got my wheels turning that maybe I should snag a C&R-elligible Browning High Power so as to utilize that bounty of free stuff. Dammit.

A Browning HP is really about the only 9mm that has interested me (well maybe a SIG Neuhausen P210 but now we're talking to rich for my blood), and a half century of gun looniness has gone by without me ever scratching that itch. Maybe it's time. Had a couple Lugers and a couple P-38's along the way but they didn't really do anything for me. A modern "black gun" like y'all go on about would be ok but I'm an old fart now and my tastes have solidified around nothing but "old school stuff" anymore.

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Scroll down to Federal 124 gr HST (standard velocity) in the 9mm category.
Note the penetration depth and the bullet expansion.
Ammo like that is one reason 9mm is so popular these days.
https://www.luckygunner.com/labs/self-defense-ammo-ballistic-tests/

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In the 80's when the 1911 and the .45 ACP were considered the Kings of Everything Everywhere in alphabet combat games, folks with new wonder 9's started cleaning the clocks of folks shooting 45's, so much so that they had to hamstring the 9mm by classifying Major and Minor calibers for scoring purposes.

So dedicated shooters whose skills were far above the average - IOW you'd think shooting a .45 would be child's play to them - starting souping up .38 Supers to make Major but keep the lower recoil of the lower weight 9mm bullets. Ease of hitting accurately was considered more important than raw foot pounds of energy.

Same thing was seen in revolver matches where .38 Specials were the norm, not full power .357 Magnums. Even Dirty Harry used lighter loaded .44 Specials in The Most Powerful Handgun in the World.

Placement, with "enough" performance, is still the primary factor in defensive shooting, or hunting for that matter.

The 9mm and .38 Special both hit that sweet spot of enough power without too much recoil so it's easy to see why they are so popular. Plus these days you can carry umpteen 9mm bullets in one magazine and still keep it easily concealed.

I have said this a hundred times here, "Shot placement is King. Penetration is Queen. All else is gravy." Angels dancing on the head of a pin.