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I have no faith that SCOTUS is smart enough, well at least a few members, to realize ALL the future impacts of the case.

And I certainly don't think Congress ever imagined the laws they wrote way back when would turn out to be interpreted the way they are by some Courts today.

Unhoused huh?

We need to quit acquiescing to the leftist language. These are drug addicts. Just like the ‘immigrants’ are illegal alien invaders.

THANK YOU!!! They are ALL Friggin drug addicts! They made a personal choice and keep it alive. It is not the public's job to feel sorry for these people. Its live saving someone over and over that is busy trying to drown themselves.

AND:

This is not about camping out on Forest Service or BLM property. Its about people, who just set up a tent, or some old RV that doesn't run very well or at all on the side by the curb in town... for months.. or some old beater vehicle. They are high, so they don't care... they throw their trash off to side.. they only move, when even their trash is bothering them it stinks so bad. So they leave it and just move their tents somewhere else.

The city has set aside land in certain parts of town, that only these drug addicts to camp in. They also provide portapotties for them to use the bathroom. NO they use them to shoot up, and then just crap on the ground or empty their bladder where ever they place. Drug addicts are a hazardous waste site, in a pair of flip flops or stolen tennis shoes or boots from Walmart. They have zero hygiene because they could care less. They steal everything they can, to conserve their money to be able to buy drugs. What part of this are people and even the Supreme Court failing to understand.

These people carry diseases. They care about nothing but getting high all day and all the time. These abuse welfare programs and steal just to focus on the drugs to feed their addictions. Most are to high to even care if they do overdose.

Is this the imagine of our nation, that we want to aspire to? Finding this in towns all over America? Well its already here.
Saw it from coast to coast, doing a 10,000 mile trip in November and December cross country, and back, and up and down the east coast. NOT as bad as we have it here on the west coast where the weather is a lot more accommodating than elsewhere for these people.

All the while, these people have MORE "RIGHTS" than anyone who isn't a drug addict. These people with illegal aliens also have many hospitals in this nation going bankrupt having to provide free health care for these people at the hospitals expense. which gets passed on to other paying patients and their insurance. They can't be refused treatment if they can't pay for treatment, courtesy of the Hill Ruddman Act, done back in the 80s. Good intentions that have gotten abuses, by people who scam the welfare systems of this nation.

I've had to chase some of these people off of the properties on each side of my wife's home here, both owned by widows who are elderly. These people just come on the property and set up a tent. 2 to 3 days later they have grown into 3 to 5 tents.

If this fails to get a positive ruling in the Supreme Court, all the other cities and counties nationwide following this case, are just going to see this problem get worse and worse.. and we will all have to start living in homes like you see in Mexico with jail bars over the windows and doors.

This crap is what is turning cities like Seattle, San Fran, LA and Potlandia into the third world. DemocRATS don't seem to care if that is their legacy, as long as they get to stay in office to supposedly 'manage' the problems it causes.

WASHINGTON (AP) — The Supreme Court wrestled with major questions about the growing issue of homelessness on Monday as it considered whether cities can punish people for sleeping outside when shelter space is lacking.

It's the most significant case before the high court in decades on the issue, and comes as record numbers of people are without a permanent place to live in the United States.

The case started in the rural Oregon town of Grants Pass, which began fining people $295 for sleeping outside as the cost of housing escalated and tents sprung up in the city’s public parks. The San Francisco-based U.S. 9th Circuit Court of Appeals struck down the law under its holding that banning camping in places without enough shelter beds amounts to cruel and unusual punishment.

The justices appeared to be leaning toward a narrow ruling in the case after hearing arguments that showed the stark terms of the debate over homelessness in Western states like California, which is home to one-third of the country's homeless population.

Sleeping is a biological necessity, and people may be forced to do it outside if they can't get housing or there's no space in shelters, Justice Sonia Sotomayor said.

“Where do we put them if every city, every village, every town lacks compassion and passes a law identical to this? Where are they supposed to sleep? Are they supposed to kill themselves, not sleeping?" she said.

Solving homelessness is a complicated issue, said Justice Brett Kavanaugh. He questioned whether ticketing people for camping helps if there aren't enough shelter beds to hold everyone, but also raised concerns about federal courts “micromanaging” policy.

Other conservative justices asked how far Eighth Amendment legal protections should extend as cities struggle with managing homeless encampments that can be dangerous and unsanitary.

“How about if there are no public bathroom facilities, do people have an Eighth Amendment right to defecate and urinate outdoors?” said Justice Neil Gorsuch.

Other public-health laws cover that situation, Justice Department attorney Edwin Kneedler said. He argued people shouldn’t be punished just for sleeping outside, but said the ruling striking down the Grants Pass law should be tossed out because the court didn't do enough to determine if people are “involuntarily homeless.”

Gorsuch and other justices also raised the possibility that other aspects of state or federal law could help sort through the issue, potentially without setting sweeping new legal precedent.

The question is an urgent one in the West, where a cross-section of Democratic and Republican officials contend that the 9th Circuit's rulings on camping bans make it difficult for them to manage encampments. The appeals court has jurisdiction over nine states in the West.

Advocacy groups, on the other hand, argued that allowing cities to punish people who need a place to sleep will criminalize homelessness and ultimately make the crisis worse as the cost of housing increases.

Hundreds of demonstrators gathered outside the Supreme Court Monday morning to advocate for more affordable housing, holding silver thermal blankets and signs like “housing not handcuffs.”

Homelessness in the United States grew a dramatic 12% last year to its highest reported level, as soaring rents and a decline in coronavirus pandemic assistance combined to put housing out of reach for more people.

More than 650,000 people are estimated to be homeless, the most since the country began using the yearly point-in-time survey in 2007. Nearly half of them sleep outside. Older adults, LGBTQ+ people and people of color are disproportionately affected, advocates said.

In Oregon, a lack of mental health and addiction resources has also helped fuel the crisis. The state has some of the highest rates of homelessness and drug addiction in the nation, and ranks near the bottom in access to treatment, federal data shows.

The court is expected to decide the case by the end of June.

“Where do we put them if every city, every village, every town lacks compassion and passes a law identical to this? Where are they supposed to sleep? Are they supposed to kill themselves, not sleeping?" she said.

That, in one line, is the problem of the lefty-loony brigade.

It's not our job to do anything with independent, autonomous adults. If "we" want to do something with them, "we" have to take make them a ward of the state and commit them.

"We" have no obligation, nor legal right, to "put them" anywhere. They are supposed to put themselves somewhere. Else, to be exact. If they can't take care of themselves, commit them and "put them somewhere".

A work camp would be appropriate.

When I was in Grants Pass in 2005 there were people living in the remote corner of the Walmart parking lot.

My father told me that in Seattle in the 1930s there was HOVERVILLE, a sprawling homeless encampment just South of downtown... where industrial Seattle is now.

This ^^

It appears that everything related to swamp DC is corrupt and broken.

kwg

This is the case that opened the doors to the asylums across America. Ronald Reagan is usually blamed for it but Reagan had nothing to do with it.
kwg
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O%27Connor_v._Donaldson

Closing mental institutions , legalizing drugs and not enforcing laws have consequences,
who’da thunk ?……

When they get arrested, they can sleep in the jail.

It's called compassion.

The federal court system should not even take this under consideration. It is a local and state issue. The federal government has no constitutional authority to be involved in most of the things they are involved in.

Oregon went to worship at the devil’s altar in 2020 and have created this mess along with Commiefornia. The law was supposed to put billions of tax revenue from the pot sales of the decriminalization law in 2014. They even glorified it with tv shows like Belushi’s multi million dollar pot farm.
Where did all those tax dollars go to if Oregon is last in treatment access?
Oregon screwed the pooch.

That is what many states and cities claim about 2'nd amendment cases, it's a local issue.

It is the job of the US Supremes to ensure no constitutional rights are being violated, by anyone. In this case, I don't think a violation of civil rights has occurred. Hopefully SCOTUS can bring some clarity to the issue.

Misappropriation of taxes is a US staple.

In CT lottery proceeds were supposed to go to the education department , yeah right. Into the general fund she went. Corruption in ‘MeriKa goes down to the bone.

But EVERY SINGLE TIME lawmakers promise vice tax revenue to help fund something for good, it all gets lost in the sauce.

Several tons of fentanyl have been confiscated in the last few years. Why not give these idiots a pound of free pills? Two problems solved.

The Second Amendment is a constitutional limitation on government at all levels. If local or state government overstep their constitutional authority then the federal government has a duty to step in and see that constitutional limitations are enforced. Many of the lower courts have allowed violations of the Second Amendment limitations to continue for political reasons and it is more than disappointing how slow the Supreme Court has been to step in and enforce those limitations on government.

I agree in the the case of homelessness, abortion, right to medical care, etc. these are not rights as defined by the constitution, therefore no violation of civil rights has occurred.

You and I are in agreement.

The problem is the leftists are claiming otherwise. We need SCOTUS to correct them. Fingers crossed!

The constitution does not need to define a right for that right to exist.

This was brought under the 8th amendment, which seems like an estreme legal squirrel case to me.




Say...... how about we open up the cemeteries for homeless camping, and also open a police drug evidence locker adjacent. Don't fund the security on the evidence lockers, but be sure to post lots of security outside the gates.

You wouldn't even have to move the homeless to their permanent homes! Just roll them into it......

Seafire: NO... demonrats and guilt ridden white people are THE cause of this problem!
They propagate "it", they tolerate "it" and they think "it" somehow will give them more public funds (hard earned tax dollars!) to stir around and distribute to other liberal leaning idiots in the form of grants and jobs and monies for liars (lawyers) and other ner'do wells chasing the "homeless" problem.
All the city needs is traditional valued conservative councilmen and mayors and then they give the go ahead to the "pohlice" to rid the city of the vagrants, thieves and druggies (via enforcing laws!)!
Problem solved.
Been there, done that (for 29 years professionally!).
Hold into the wind
VarmintGuy