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Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad
Originally Posted by Teal
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Trump , has surprised the world, I have never heard of a human fighting a system this evil and still walking, I will never give up hope for him to be our President again! We can’t


While I will never stop fighting for and voting for what's right and who's right, I know deep down that "they" will never allow that to succeed.

Where do we go from this point?

We really need a strong Plan B.

Where is your sense of pride in America? Your faith in God? Your willingness to stand up & be counted? You sound quite capitulatory.

Was it capitulation when people decided to load muskets in 1776 and change things or was that acknowledgement that plan B does not involve repeating plan A and expecting a different result.


Who are you going to shoot? Half the congregation at your church?

The moderates? The high minded fence sitters?

It's metaphor, not literally. As you said - participate but also realize, no one's coming to help you either. Understand we're going to eventually have low level conflict all over the US, much like we see this week but OFF campus. Much like we saw in 2020.

I also think a person should learn to do without if you want any chance of getting big business out of politics. That's key and I'd like to see a return to "you don't pay taxes (net) - you don't get to vote" but that will never happen either.

Reality is - the American country as we know it today will eventually cease to exist. NO country lasts forever. No empire does. We will, regardless, eventually implode. It's primarily luck as to when you live within that rise/fall arc.

Average lifespan of an empire over the historical record is 2.7 centuries.
Average lifespan of a reserve currency is 1 century.

For the US - they both end up around the same time in the 2040's - change is coming, regardless of how much we don't want to admit it and when that change happens, shooting will be part of it. Up to each person to determine how they want to deal with that or prepare - or not for that.


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I remember after Nixon resigned, and Carter was elected people said Republicans would NEVER get the presidency back.

They underestimated how deeply Carter could suck, and he looks like a genius compared to Biden.

Biden summed it all up nicely

"4 More Years?, Pause"

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Originally Posted by Teal
Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad
Originally Posted by Teal
Originally Posted by Reloder28
Originally Posted by rockinbbar
Originally Posted by Angus55
Trump , has surprised the world, I have never heard of a human fighting a system this evil and still walking, I will never give up hope for him to be our President again! We can’t


While I will never stop fighting for and voting for what's right and who's right, I know deep down that "they" will never allow that to succeed.

Where do we go from this point?

We really need a strong Plan B.

Where is your sense of pride in America? Your faith in God? Your willingness to stand up & be counted? You sound quite capitulatory.

Was it capitulation when people decided to load muskets in 1776 and change things or was that acknowledgement that plan B does not involve repeating plan A and expecting a different result.


Who are you going to shoot? Half the congregation at your church?

The moderates? The high minded fence sitters?

It's metaphor, not literally. As you said - participate but also realize, no one's coming to help you either. Understand we're going to eventually have low level conflict all over the US, much like we see this week but OFF campus. Much like we saw in 2020.

I also think a person should learn to do without if you want any chance of getting big business out of politics. That's key and I'd like to see a return to "you don't pay taxes (net) - you don't get to vote" but that will never happen either.

Reality is - the American country as we know it today will eventually cease to exist. NO country lasts forever. No empire does. We will, regardless, eventually implode. It's primarily luck as to when you live within that rise/fall arc.

Average lifespan of an empire over the historical record is 2.7 centuries.
Average lifespan of a reserve currency is 1 century.

For the US - they both end up around the same time in the 2040's - change is coming, regardless of how much we don't want to admit it and when that change happens, shooting will be part of it. Up to each person to determine how they want to deal with that or prepare - or not for that.


Probably so.


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Originally Posted by Simplepeddler
So, honest question..............what's the answer? What's the solution? What, as an individual, can we do about it?
Staying registered to any party seems a delusional "hope" in getting the "right" person running. Fighting the machine through the courts will bankrupt a person. Sitting around and calling folks nasty names on forums is not going to get anything done.

What are you guys "doing"??

In fairness, I'm calling myself out here as well.

Probably near unanimous opinion regardless of stripe. Trump just proved he's nothing more than a Neocon RINO with a mild nationalist mutation. That seemingly minor twist must be more of a threat to the cartels than I can imagine. It's weird and hard to believe his reelection really is our last hope. We, the most heavily armed population in the world, aren't going to do a damn thing but watch the whole crooked shebang fly apart.

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One is being delusional if they believe that The Republican Party is your friend and not part of this


Give a man a fish and he eats for a day. Give a man a welfare check, a forty ounce malt liquor, a crack pipe, an Obama phone, free health insurance. and some Air Jordan's and he votes Democrat for a lifetime.
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Originally Posted by Crash_Pad
We, the most heavily armed population in the world, aren't going to do a damn thing but watch the whole crooked shebang fly apart.

That is inevitable and probably the best thing that could happen. See my post to Jim about the rise/fall arc.


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Originally Posted by steve4102
One is being delusional if they believe that The Republican Party is your friend and not part of this

When the good manufacturing jobs started to leave the country I decided to go to college in hopes of finding a better life. When I went; I knew The system was beating me down.

After graduating at 32 years old I knew my thoughts were spot on and there was nothing I could do about it. If any of you believe that voting for either party or even specific candidates is going to make any long term difference; in my opinion you are not going to see that happen.

Live a good by the book life and trust in God to sort it. Wield the sword in defense but vengeance is his.

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Originally Posted by wilkeshunter
If present day Patriots had Trump’s fight we wouldn’t be in this mess. Perhaps a future generation will take the proper initiative.
You are 100% correct. A stolen election is the point of no return.
Clearly the hill to die on, if there is one. If they got away with it once, they’ll do it again.
But as I said, most of us, the good guys, still have too much to lose. Nobody is willing to sacrifice all they have to get the ball rolling.
Well, almost nobody. Trump is surely risking a ton of money, possibly his life. I started out with nothing, still got most of it left, and as as a veteran, I swore my life to “defend the Constitution, against all enemies, foreign and DOMESTIC”! I have no problem going all in!
If my kids and my grandkids grow up in a country that’s run by evil, controlling their lives, what the hell good is my oath, for that matter my existence?
This crap has gone as far as we dare let it. To wait longer only strengthens the bad guys.
I’m not losing much wealth, and as I said, I have already sworn my life.
The time has come to “Shoot The Bastards”.


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To make any change that is of any value for the USA we need a good honest president that can repeal all the laws that protect the elected officials in all branches of government.

The federal reserve system needs dismantled and the US government itself determines how currency is regulated.

Term limits and not lifetime seats. We need officials that serve the people for 1 term and move on.

No lobbyist money or campaign contributions from big business or special interests. Candidates get a set amount to run their campaign and not a dime more can be spent.

No riders on bills just one issue to be considered. The proposed bills must be read on the floor and the public can hear it unless it is a national emergency that requires caution.

If any sitting official is found to violate the terms of the constitution they shall be held to swift investigation and if found guilty removed from office and held to the highest penalty.

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Originally Posted by Fireball2
USA isn't "over". The country is the people. You hang 600 politicians and get honest people in office and you'll see that America is not dead. The politicians are the problem.
Amen,balls.


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Outside money, held by people who wish the US gone as a global power, are running the country!
I have said before, if you want to rule the world, the US must be taken first!
Like it or not, this nation was and is, founded on Christian values!
I believe that God Himself has used this nation as a tool to fulfill His wishes.
In the last 50 or 60 years, we have turned our backs to Him. Maybe His plan doesn’t include us now. I
Doesn’t matter to me, I am saved.
I will fight for what is right, and if I die, i know where I’m headed. My Father’s mansion had many rooms.
The deep state wants a socialist world where they control all the people and all the money.
I grew up in a free America, and as such, I am a threat, and will be among the first to be eliminated.
At this point, I am sure this world is not my home.
It’s pretty reassuring to know where you’ll end up. I don’t see that I got anything to lose

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Originally Posted by 7mmbuster
Outside money, held by people who wish the US gone as a global power, are running the country!
I have said before, if you want to rule the world, the US must be taken first!
Like it or not, this nation was and is, founded on Christian values!
I believe that God Himself has used this nation as a tool to fulfill His wishes.
In the last 50 or 60 years, we have turned our backs to Him. Maybe His plan doesn’t include us now. I
Doesn’t matter to me, I am saved.
I will fight for what is right, and if I die, i know where I’m headed. My Father’s mansion had many rooms.
The deep state wants a socialist world where they control all the people and all the money.
I grew up in a free America, and as such, I am a threat, and will be among the first to be eliminated.
At this point, I am sure this world is no my home.


Agreed.

Adams wrote many letters to Abigail that document just what you have stated about the foundation of the country.
In one such letter, when the we had roughly 3M citizens, Adams wrote that "millions" would be praying for protection over the British. The assumption was overwhelmingly FOR Christians out numbering non believers.

My how comfort brings arrogance and self-riotousness.

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Originally Posted by rockinbbar
... allow Trump to be president, or if elected, to fulfill the duties of president.

Never. Ever.

It isn't just the left, it's the uni-party. It isn't an accident that the SOH is in Texas helping a RINO campaign against Brandon Herrera.


I'm calling it now, there will be more votes cast than registered voters in this next election.

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After reading the previous posts I hardly know where to begin. Folks can we agree on a couple of points?
Our constitutional republic is the greatest form of human self governance conceived by man.
Those of us who’ve lived to practice and benefit from this great experiment in self governance, have an obligation,to our descendants , the opportunity for them to participate as well.
If we agree on those two fundamentals, how then do we go about preserving our way of life, durning these turbulent, divisive time? Many have implied it’s a hopeless cause, and in fact we are facing monumental odds, however we can not bury our heads in the sand or retreat in to obscurity. In truth, I believe, as evident by our discussion on this site, we are already engaged, do we now need to come to some consensus
as to how to unite in a common cause both recognizing and working to defeat our enemies. Let me say at the onset armed conflict, at this stage, should not be even a subject of discussion. We are not facing a foreign adversary invading our country, but what we are facing is a conflict for the hearts and minds of the American people. A people’s that , for decades , have been indoctrinated by the secular humanistic , socialist garbage of a committed Marxist cabal. Our job then is, through our actions and words, re-educate the people on the constitutional principles of our founding and the civic action required for their existence. In other words education is the one and only way to save our republic, we must create the understanding among the peoples so they then will elect conservative responsible leaders. This will not happen quickly, it’s taken the enemy many trillion dollars, extreme co-ordinated effort, and decades for them to achieve the results we face, but they have not won. The constitution is still intact, and we patriots must now use those freedoms enshrined it that hallowed document , and through our voices and dollars once again ring the bell of liberty and tell the people, the enemy is among us and must be expelled.
We can magnify our impact by joining and supporting financially those groups who best reflect and represent our values, there are many of them out there.

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You guys who want to do something need to call your local or state chapter republican party and volunteer to be a poll watcher on election day. Especially if you are in GA, NC, VA, PA, MI, WI, AZ. The rest of the states don't matter

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Originally Posted by TimberRunner
You guys who want to do something need to call your local or state chapter republican party and volunteer to be a poll watcher on election day. Especially if you are in GA, NC, VA, PA, MI, WI, AZ. The rest of the states don't matter
How do you watch an electronic voting machine that is connected to the internet


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I agree with everything you said. But the trouble we now face is that we’re 2 generations and counting behind.
Carol and I did our best to teach our son American values. Look at something from all the sides, and figure out the logical solution.
We raised him as a Christian, and i know that he’s a gun nut and a hunter like myself and my Dad.
But after he graduated school he went on to college, which tore down much of what Carol and I had done. On top of this college education, he lived with a very liberal girlfriend for ten years.
I have heard from my own Son’s lips, that I am a climate denier, a racist and a homophobe!
I told him no, I am a realist. The climate changes constantly, 95% of the crime is done by 15% of the population, and the Bible tells me that homosexuality is wrong.
So here’s what I’m getting at. How in the heck are we, the good guys, gonna re-educate 2/3rds of the population?
We Americans are approaching a civil war that’s gonna make 1861 to 1865 look like a cake walk.
Salinsky said that 2/3rds of the people would have to be re-educated or eliminated.
I don’t think he was far off.
My question is “how do we un-brainwash 60% of the population?”
I’m not ready to kill somebody who happens to disagree with my political beliefs!


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Originally Posted by 7mmbuster
I agree with everything you said. But the trouble we now face is that we’re 2 generations and counting behind.
Carol and I did our best to teach our son American values. Look at something from all the sides, and figure out the logical solution.
We raised him as a Christian, and i know that he’s a gun nut and a hunter like myself and my Dad.
But after he graduated school he went on to college, which tore down much of what Carol and I had done. On top of this college education, he lived with a very liberal girlfriend for ten years.
I have heard from my own Son’s lips, that I am a climate denier, a racist and a homophobe!
I told him no, I am a realist. The climate changes constantly, 95% of the crime is done by 15% of the population, and the Bible tells me that homosexuality is wrong.
So here’s what I’m getting at. How in the heck are we, the good guys, gonna re-educate 2/3rds of the population?
We Americans are approaching a civil war that’s gonna make 1861 to 1865 look like a cake walk.
Salinsky said that 2/3rds of the people would have to be re-educated or eliminated.
I don’t think he was far off.
My question is “how do we un-brainwash 60% of the population?”
I’m not ready to kill somebody who happens to disagree with my political beliefs!
I hear you buddy, we were fortunate with our children, two of the three , though they had some hard lesson along the way, matured as responsible adults and wonderful parents themselves.
To elaborate on my previous post about educating the people, I failed to mention my believe that if we present our case in a logical nondictatorily fashion the people , even those who reject it at the time, when the s__t hits the fan and their bull is being goard they will come to the realization our system is the last great hope, and hopefully they come to that conclusion in numbers and soon enough to save us snd themselves,

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Originally Posted by cv540
I remember after Nixon resigned, and Carter was elected people said Republicans would NEVER get the presidency back.

They underestimated how deeply Carter could suck, and he looks like a genius compared to Biden.

Biden summed it all up nicely

"4 More Years?, Pause"
All that happened before the swamp got its system in place. This ain't 1976 anymore. "They" have a strangle hold on us now.


Patriotism (and religion) is the last refuge of a scoundrel.

Jesus: "Take heed that no man deceive you."
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