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Had a trip planned a few years ago to take my best friend. He'd always wanted to see it, but his cancer took him before we could go. I need to make the trip for him.

Ok. I will restate: strategy without tactics is the longest path to victory.
Tactics without strategy is only the noise before defeat.

The South had no strategy. Lees tactics were spectacular. Spectacular noise that brought not just defeat. Destruction.

Tj woulda whipped them yankys

Before you go getting to sad consider the source.

A favorite place of mine. Have relatives on the PA monument. Hunted a farm just off the battlefield for about ten years in the 80s and 90s off of Red Rock Road and used to park by the covered bridge over Marsh Creek when we hunted the back side of the place. Lots of deer and ringnecks!

Little Round Top is my favorite spot on the battlefield.

That's some burns level pedantry right there.

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mike r

Glad youns had a safe trip! If you like Italian food, Belle Italia has it!
Did they get Little around Top opened up yet? We would usually go up there or to The Angle and watch the Sun set over South Mountain. Many times we would get breakfast at McDs and head over to the Virginia Memorial to watch it rise over the Pennsylvania Monument in the morning.
It’s a wonderful, awesome place for me.
I have had both my wives tell me at different times they thought “maybe I died there!”
Give me a call when you get a chance. I’m really hoping we can get together!
Reon

Well, it certainly didn't take very long for that to turn in the direction that each and every thread on the Civil War (that always brings it out as well) takes. Someone could ask for a recipe for hardtack and it would veer off in that direction.

Oon both sides...and that's just one reason why it is wrong to cancel Confederate monuments and flags.

I like Walter Williams but he got that wrong. It is never as cut and dried as it is stated by the "lost cause" crowd that we-wrote history. At the time our nation was divided among slave states and non-slave states. The great issue at that time was the "New Territories". There were great debates over them being admitted. The slave states demanded they be allowed to b admitted as slave states. They wanted to grow slavery. Another argument keeping them from staying in the union was the non slave states and escaped slaves. The south wanted the northern non slave states to honor their property rights. They also wanted to use the slave's census as a battering ram to gain power in congress. It's a sort of twisted scenario of what we're going through today with illegal migrants being admitted to the voting rolls. Slaves had not rights to vote. They actually had no rights at all.
This has been beat to death and though Lincoln and the Republican party did go around the original intent of states rights in a way they were forced to by the circumstances. Be careful what you wish for because if the states had managed to get their way there would be no America as we know it today. England and France were praying for the south to win because it would've split the states and allowed them to come in and take property. The southern slave states could've kept their slaves and remained but it was ruled that no new territories would be admitted as slave states.

Dang it EB, 😀 I told you before that Jackson, other than maybe taking Cemetery Hill on 1 July wouldn’t have made a difference.
Meade would have gathered his army on Pipes Creek, 12 miles southeast.
Lee fought Gettysburg blind without Stuart’s cavalry. Lee nor anybody else on Seminary Ridge, knew what they were facing the next day. Was it the whole AOTP? Was it a couple of corps? A detachment reinforced by PA militia? Nobody could say!
I have always admired Marse Robert, but to fight a battle north of the Dixie line blindfolded?
It’s all In fun, heck you know me!
But Custer was stupid at LBH, and Lee didn’t make a blunder at Gettysburg?
Reon

😂👍

It's significant that the origin of our country is dated to the Declaration of Independence [USDI] instead of the US Constitution. Lincoln does the same with "four score and seven." The USDI does not mandate a particular form of government but instead declares that the purpose of government is to secure the people's unalienable rights. Both sides could rally to the words of the USDI and the Gettysburg Address. Would either form flawlessly satisfy the USDI, hardly. Is one better than the other? That was the "debate" that raged from 1861-65. Honored dead on both sides indeed! RIP

Got out to the East, where Custer met Jeb Stuart. Even though history is unkind to Custer, the evidence is that he spanked ‘ol Jeb’s ass out there…

Jeb had a long trip he was weary give the man credit😂

And how differently things may have ended had Stuart been able to hit the Union line from behind in concert with Pickett's charge

Some shirttail relation was there during the battle. A fella by the name of Colonel Joshua Chamberlain. My great grandfather and his two brothers were also in the Union Army. Great Grandpappy fought in Texas, New Mexico and Missouri. The other two fought in the east but I don’t know where.

Shoulda been 1783, Treaty of Paris.

1776 was when they announced the pregnancy, but 1783 was the birth.




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It's on my bucket list along with a tour of Europe for the ww2 sites.

As for the confederate monuments, they should stay. It's history, whether dark or not, it's our history. I would say we could learn from it but folks nowadays are too stupid