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I am undecided between a AR in 6.8 or a 243 for my 8 year old daughter. The 6.8 probably would be a 16 inch barrel RRA & the 243 would be a 20 inch barrel DPMS. This will be used inside of 125 yards for whitetail, shot from a shooting house with a rest. Both rifles would have coll. stocks & scopes. Which rifle/cartridge is the better choice?
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The 6.8 will give you a much shorter, lighter and cheaper rifle. I have taken deer with my 6.8, and I think the .243 is a better all-around choice, but the 6.8 got the job done.
If you hand-load, the .243 Winchester is a great cartridge. It does a much better job of crossing-over between big-game/varmint/predator.
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I'd say 6.8, but if you're feeling .243, it's surely a fine round. However, the 6.8 will have a little more punch, and be accurate to the ranges you noted, but not as much as a .243. It'd be a suitable rifle after your daughter grows up for the same-size game, as well. In short; I think the 6.8 is a bit better because it has a little more stopping power, but you'll probably sacrifice a bit of accuracy for it. Eric
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AR 10 platforms are big and bulky and heavy to me. Much more so than the AR15.
I'd go 6.8 spc or 6mm woa, drive a TSX in it and it'll do anything. My 6mm woa, drives an 85 tsx around 2800 or less, it'll stem to stern any deer up to 150 pounds so far...
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No actual experience, but I'm thinking a 110 TSX from a 6.8 would be hell on whitetail (and a coyote here and there ). George
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Back in Nov, this 150+ sow succumbed to a 110TSX from my 6.8SPC. Then the day after Christmas, a near 200 lb smelly boar also went down cleanly to the same combo. Both were neck/head junction shots. And the same rifle/load accounted for two TX small whitetail bucks this past season, one by me, and also as a loaner gun. Longest shot was on the sow...about 125yds. Good SPC range. Greg [img][IMG] http://i30.tinypic.com/2hq8j1y.jpg[/img][/img]
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I built a 243 WSSM AR I have no experiance with the 6.8 but have read that is is ballisticly very close to the 270 wityh a light bullet. My 243 WSSm works fine in the AR platform but it is heavy 10 Lbs with a 24" Barrel, scope, Harris Bipod and loaded seven round Mag. It is also laser accurate out to 400 Yards I just have not had reason to check accuracy at longer ranges yet. BTW it will DRT a ypte at that range with a 87 Grn Hornady V Max
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It's not a fair comparison to compare the 6.8 with a 270W, regardless of the bullet weight. A 110gr out of a 6.8 works hard to reach 2700fps (22" barrel)...not sure on 270 data, but likely it would do >3400 fps with a 110gr. Though I like it and use it, the 6.8 is a niche cartridge, no great performer, but easy on the shoulder.
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Mulerider,
Is that a Rem 700 Tactical in your pic? If it's the one I'm thinking of it's essentially a matte parkerized version of the stainless LVSF varmint models, though yours doesn't look to have the bluish/gray stock I remember the 700 Tactical model having.
Any bullet penetration issues w/ the pigs and deer? Of course dead critters speak volumes, but wondering if your bullets went through & through?
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Big: good eye; that is a 700 Tactical in a LVSF stock.
The 110TSX went thru 3 of 4 critters; only the boar had no exit. Both hogs dropped and did a circle while kicking, the deer just dropped.
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Thanks guys 6.8 SPC it will be.
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7.62x39 isn't anything to sneeze at either...
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Thanks guys 6.8 SPC it will be. I agree. FWIW: My daughter is getting a 44 magnum lever, cut down with a decelerator. BMT
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Go with 6.8, have a DPMS 20" light recoil use 110grn Hornady V-max one. Shot 2 whitetails opening morn in WI. But for Her get a 16in Adjustable stock, carbon fiber forarm, Aluminum gas block.
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vmax is a frangible bullet. NOT a good choice for deer.
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I have used Win. BST before in other calibers and my Panther V-max. I have yet to have a deer take one step after being hit. I don't know if BST's and V-max are alike. I recovered 1 BST and after going 3/4 way through the body it was peeled back all the way to the boattail. Was in tact.
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BST and Vmax are not the same.. hence the warning, had you said BST, I'd have bit my tongue(since I don't like BT type damage to meat) but not said a word.
VMax is frangible varmint bullet. Same I gave to a buddy for a hog hunt the ohter week, with the warning, ear canal only... and it worked super in the ear canals.... but would have been a disaster on ribcage shots...
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Thanks for the info. I thought all polymer tipped bullets were the same. I will rethink my choice of ammo in my 6.8 again Thanks.
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Anybody aware of the 6.8 being available in a "light" bolt action ...... my daughter is turning 10 and thinking it would be the place to start her " big game " rifle ....... sorry but I think the AR platform is way to heavy for a kid
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Here is what I did for a light wieght bolt action in 6.8SPC Take a Ruger MK II in .223 to your favorite gunsmith, remove barrel, have bolt face opened to .422, pick a good barrel blank - I used a Douglas #1 premium air gaged 1:10 twist finished at 22", it will fit in the factory stock but I used a MCM hunter. My load is a 130gr Sierra SBT over 26.5grs of H322, 5 shots at 100yds measures .75" to outside of group. My 6.8 16" RRA AR wieghs as much or more than my bolt action.
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