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The problem is military lasers are not Class I lasers. Some are Class III and can blind you; the FDA prohibits those for commercial sale. The Russain surplus jobs are actually not supposed to be sold in the US - the FDA is trying to round them up.

I don't think a rangefinder that goes beyond the Geovid is going to be much practical use, because the wind is such a huge problem. If a super long range model comes out, I doubt it would be lighter than the Geovid, unless it was an LR only.

I wonder why no one uses a Cl II laser. The requirements for use are much less restrictive. I am a distributor for CL II lasers used for commercial applications (Rick_G, I sell them to measure the first open draw on a paper machine), and they aren't that big of a deal.

The other issue for long range LR is beam divergence. Military lasers have a beam divergence of at least 1 milrad, so even if the laser went 2000 meters, it would be over 2 meters in diameter - hardly good enough to range a deer. And to connect, you would have to exactly range the deer.

Anyway, I was ready to dump my Geovid, but I am keepiing it for varmint hunting and long range hunting. Still the best...

There are no problems,nor confusion.

Technology is going to allow the advance of smaller products,that are superior in all avenues. There remains but a sole query.

When?...................

So now you are an expert on laser rangefinders too?

Is there anything you are not an expert on?

Forget about technology, Big Stick...look at it from a product marketing angle. The Geovid is the best commercial LR out there, yet serious shooters like you are reluctant to pay 3 kilobucks for one. A product marketing person would not bring out a LR that goes to 1500 yards unless the price is around 500 bucks - with the associated thin margins.

So a product marketing buy would have to say, "Okay, I can create a LR for 500 bucks that can go out to 1500 yards...who is left out there that will buy one?"

Casual shooter and hunters, if they even have a LR, would be very relucatant to buy another one. I think the effort will be put into LRs that display bullet trajectory, wind drift, etc,, not extended ranges. There just aren't enough serious shooters, and many who are serious already have a Geovid that goes to 1200 meters. I can't hit at 1200 not anyway - a one mph wind blows my bullets completely out of the vital area of an animal. I detest the "shoot a spotter" technique.

We might see an inexpensive LR that will go 1500 yards, but the ability to keep the laser focused on a deer is going to be a huge problem. And again, at that range, zinging the laser off a nearby rock is not a good surrogate.

But hey, there is always a chance I could be wrong - that is spelled W-R-O-N-G.

Ooops, I have an appt to go sell some lasers. Bye.

'Nut,

Name an electronic consumer good that hasn't been continually downsized since inception,while also being improved within the smaller confines?

You blowed alotta smoke there and I didn't follow it.

If they can make my 1200LRF into a 9000LRF and retain the size,I'll roll the dice on my ability to range what I wish.

That'd be a "problem" I'd warmly embrace and fuel the 50BMG fire I've been mulling over....................

'Nut,



Beings you were in "Full Bitch Mode" and had the whine going to boot,while leaving the doors foolishly open,I'll expound a smidge.



It is your highly insightful opinion fueled by wild assed guess,that ALL laser technology and R&D has ceased for all Manufacturers? We are now at The Holy Grail of that device's progression?



You hint that their future market share is making the units more cumbersome,less ergonomic and of lesser ranging capability? I gather your thrust is that those things make prospective customers giddy and will surely lead all to abort their smaller sized/superior units for your projected next laser generation?



Get a grip.



Now a guy is foolish to think that Leica's LAST Laser efforts are the Geovid and 1200LRF? If so,they'll get smoked sooooooo fast,they won't know what happened. 'Course that ain't so and their wheels are always turning and is of course why they went from the 800LRF to the 1200LRF just as fast as possible.



Who'd purchase the lesser unit(which was largely suspect to boot),when a coupla more clams will get the far superior unit?



For 100 bones more,I bet there are a huge number of folks who'd [bleep] the excellent 1200LRF for a 2500LRF and yes I'm one of 'em.



Of course you were wrong. Crazy wrong,but I guess it soothes your senses that you can spell the malady?



Bet your ass,11/18/2003 ain't the end of consumer laser developments. Here Endeth the Obvious Sermon.



Do your homework next time and keep your eyes peeled at SHOT..........

I've mentioned this in the past, but a friend of mine who is a serious hunter, and I mean SERIOUS spelled with capitals, bought one of the first surplus Russian Range finders to hit the shores, heavy, like 2 Kgs, but ranged to 20,000 meters plus or minus one meter. Carried it back to part of what used to be Russia and ranged and killed a Marco Polo at over 550 yards with a .264 Win Mag.

Now, I know it is Class 3 or whatever, but that was made at least 12 years ago. Someone is trying to tell me that technological progress stopped with the Geovid which is inferior to the Russian product which is older.....nah....I don't think so.

You guys are arguing with an opera singer in too-tight a tutu to assisst in the hitting of high notes... and you think it will sink in?

When I start hearing a series of high notes I just start mumbling and nodding... it is safer that way <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" />

Stick
Wouldn't an elitist have only the best of everything? Are you sure you qualify as one? We may have to revoke your credentials since you seem to have no Geovid! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />
art

OMG <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" />

Does that make 'Stick a wannbe elitist snob.? Could open a whole basket of badness. I'm startin' to think this wannbe probably doesn't even live in AK <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" /> ... OK 'Stick ... time to fess up! you really live on Paradise Street on Long Island ... don't ya? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Yeah, let's reopen this whole "arrogant elitist snob Stick" thing. I am sure Mauser96 would be much obliged to chime in.

Here's a little info on the Vector 21 I referred to, just for S & G...
http://www.vectronix.ch/products/rangefinder/vector-21.htm

Nice rangefinder. It's a bit fugly though. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

I looked all over the webpage without finding a 'add to cart' button, so I didn't order one. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

Laffin' here at all of it,you Boys is funny. Now I suppose you are all Experts or somethin'?!!?

High falutin' buncha' snobs,all of ya'..................(grin)

Stick:

I am not saying development has stopped. What I am saying is that any company would look long and hard at trying to bring out a LR that can detect a deer sized target at 1500 yards. There just is not that big of market. And guys like you aren't willing to pay 2k for one, so that means we are looking at something in the 500 dollar range. The technology used to focus lasers is pretty expensive. Those Russain jobs can measure a mountain 20000 meters away, but not a deer.

Sitka:
If you want to discuss facts, jump in. But spare me the name calling BS. Why is it the highest strung posters on this site are those with over 7000 posts? Is it because you don't have a life? When do you find time to hunt?

I'm not sure from which Country you are Posting from,but I'll give you a glimpse from the US of A.

We LOVE bigger/better/badder/faster/louder everythings. Our Country is largely founded upon those notions. To fuel that rampant desire,which is known to every Manufacturer upon the face of our planet(Earth),folks in R&D is swilling coffee and burning the midnight oil,to see that we get more of them things ASAP.

So it isn't a case of Billy Bob Palsy havin' the shakes sooo bad,he can't even range his very own foot with an 8' Stanley . It is a simple matter of the advancement of current laser technology. To compliment it,the packaging will be tidier and she'll be rolled out on the reddest of carpets to cash waving Red Blooded Americans that just gotta have one. That if the only reason to have one,is to simply have the damned thing.

That market is huge,folks are waiting in anticipation and guys with pen holders in their pockets are gonna sure 'nuff make it happen.

'Tis the American Way,if nothing else. But in reality,there's a whole bunch "else".....................

What I don't get is the tupperware stock (reinforced w/glass around the front stud) on a bipod and a Geovid rangefinder. Now that is a match made in.......

MtnHtr

MtnHtr
Now that is a classic! How could that match happen? A ton of experience? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

LRNut
I have read your claims to incredible breadth of knowledge and frankly the posturing and sniveling is not convincing me you have anything backing it up. For you to go on the offensive against folks for every reason imagineable EXCEPT points germane to the argument shows just how weak your stuff is...

I do not need to brag to anyone about how much I shoot or what I have shot. There are folks here that know quite a bit about what I have shot and I am not even close to ashamed of it. When it comes to the time I usually get to hunt each year... most folks are more than a little envious.
None of this to convince you of anything, just a simple point that once again your argumentation and debate skills suck as you seem unable to stick to points of fact that make a difference in debate. It is obvious you are big on posture and short on experience, at least from where I sit.

Stick
Could not range their own foot with an 8' Stanley (sic) is classic! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />
art

I've smelled Poser for a long while.

The Rebel yell followed by a bluff charge and then the rapid hitting of the brakes,complete with grinding gears while speed shifting into reverse,are pretty good indicators.

Then bobbling the most basic of principles,frosts the cake. Some people can play dumb,others is just forced to live it..................(grin)

Hey now!!! I think I resemble that! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />

If there is anything I know, it is laser rangefinders. I have written more published stories on them than anyone else.

I think I will stick to writing for the magazines which, I am sure, some of you buy. At least I get paid for it and don't get half the BS here.

I am not poser or anyone else. You guys are quick to criticize anyone on here, including me. But when I do it, it is whinning or some other name calling.

I have got better things to do with my life than to argue with guys who have nothing better in life to do than post over 7500 times. You win. As for my experiences, I should have kept my mouth shut. Envy? Who knows.

I'll stick to writing magazine articles and reading fan mail.

Published stories? Fan mail???
I am not sure what to think here.
Hurt ego, or BS?
LRNut, if you are truthful, I apologize and wish you the best.