Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Hunting Rifles Trying to decide on an all around caliber in a kimber montana....

Tell you what I'll do there Stacey, I'll go over to a site selling Leupold LR's and post a glowing review as to what you say, in a totally tongue-in-cheek, sarcastic, demeaning manner and include your full name (Stacey XXXXXX) and include your town (XXXXX California). Then , when you object, I'll lie about why I did it.

Sound familiar?

You're a dumbazz...

Brad, I was speaking for my own personal use only, and I certainly do agree with your perspective completely as it applies to the theme of this thread.

For an eastern hunter who may, someday, maybe, once-in-a-while hunt out west for mule deer, elk, and antelope, I'd be happy to recommend the 308 Win. as well. It's plenty of rifle for any of the hunting that he'll undertake back home and, properly loaded, it'll certainly work satisfactorily out here as well.

I can't help but think back on all of the times I've heard guys talk about investing in that great, iconic, "all-around" rifle for use on "everything" in NA, with Alaskan brown bear at the top of the list. And with that animal in mind, they decide that they need a 375 H&H as their single all-around rifle. Yet, the odds are that most of those guys will never have the chance to hunt brown bears in their lives, and if they do, it'll only be once. Not only that, but the odds are great that they'll never get to hunt all species of North American big game. In reality, they'd be much better off to select that "all-around" rifle based on what they're realistically going to hunt the most.

I know I haven't yet hunted all NA big game, not even close, and the truth is, I don't want to............

AD

Allen, you got my point EXACTLY and as it was meant. Thanks!



My sentiment exactly. Just because I CAN hunt something doesn't mean I WANT to hunt something. There are more than a few animals I'd never pull the trigger on...

Interesting posts going on here.
Who really wants an "all around" rifle anyway? We're gun nuts here! That necessitates a gun per species in my mind.
Actually if a dude was planning a once in a lifetime hunt that took years of planning, lots of money, weeks of time off then part of that fun would be a different gun suited for the game pursued. Make any sense?
Don't EVER get a "one gun does it all" attitude.
masrx should get a deer caliber now and a Kimber Caprivi later.

Brad,

I'm sorry you have to become so emotional over that past review. You and I were on alot better terms back then before you started your anti-Rem 700 mis-information campaign on here. As for that review, it was on
Moosejaw.com
regarding your Granite Gear Stratus Flatbed. The site's owner posted this on the review tab: "If you don't own the product, just make the review up. No one reads these things anyway. Just joking about the Jon Stewart part. Also joking about the no one reading these parts. Customers love a review."

I was interested in that pack and posted what you reported here on the campfire:

"My friend Brad XXXXXX out of XXXXX, MT bought one of these for elk hunting and put it to the test in the '06 season. He packed out an entire trophy bull elk by himself in a blinding snowstorm. Brad also used drybags to pack in his camp with no problems whatsoever. I'll vouch for Brad's review as he is ranked as the #1 backpacker/mule in MT. No kidding! Stacy"

Now I only posted that as tongue in cheek and even posted my name with it though I could have remained anonymous (at the time Moosejaw was offering points for posting a review). Brad took it wrong later in the year, especially after he started bad mouthing Rem 700s/Titaniums on here (he's not exactly an angel). As for using his name and town, he has posted that information on plenty of other forums in the past including using his full name as his handle.

At Brad's request, I emailed the Moosejaw's webmaster last Dec and had him take it down. As soon as the review was taken down, Brad started posting on this forum what a liar I was yada-yada (and some of you will remember that episode).
But I will apologize to him publicly on here since I did not have his permission. No harm was meant. And I won't resort to name calling or threats either, thats pretty low.

MtnHtr

Who is brand X and why don't you use their bullets? Serious question.

Stacey, no emotion... you're an ankle biter pure and simple. I'd rate you as a cross between a Blue Heeler and a Poodle with a bit of St. Bernard thrown in for the weight and slobber factor... Public Apology accepted, but you're still a liar and I have no use for liars.

Brad...back to the 308 topic. You, as I remember, were loading/experimenting with 150 TSX as your primary 308 Elk hunting load, is it still your pick or has another round surfaced as an improvment?

I chose the 7mm WSM Montana for my all around caliber. Can use it on everything from pronghorns to elk, which is about all I'd ever wish to go for in NA.
Marty

Brad,

Debate like a man instead of calling names. The name calling does not do you or anyone else on here any good. End of subject - for me anyways.

338Fed,

Ever hear of the Barnes newsletter? There was a piece in one issue about shot placement on deer sized game in the brush, seems folks were complaining about having to track deer sized game in heavy brush. Barnes was recommending shoulder shots to anchor deer size game. Later the newsletter was re-edited and the paragraph deleted. But I read it and and had a bad experience with their bullets the year before so I'm not that crazy about their bullets. I'm sure folks have a different opinion and that's okay - nothing wrong with that, we live in a great country where we have choices.

MtnHtr

I enjoy the commentary by both of you guys, but the name calling is really unnecessary on a hunting board; at least in my view. Better places to do dirty laundry.

Tmick, that's my primary elk load because, apart from a 30-06 I'm going to sell to fund another Kimber MT in 300 WSM, it's all I have. The 150 TSX goes 2,875 with a book load of RL15... I shot it at 100 and 250 yards for groups... went under an inch at 100 and went 1.75" at 250. I sighted in for 225, and that made my dots on at 325, 425 and 525. And yes, I did shoot at everyone of those ranges to triple check.

That's all I did with the rifle since I got it as I've been building a house. Just got some 150 E-Tips and will give them a whirl this summer too.

Brad

That's hilarious coming from a little puzzy/ankle biter that hides behind anonymity and posts phony reviews behind someones back...

What a maroon.

+1 to that!

Yep!

.325 WSM is good too. You can use a 180-gn TSX and get really similar recoil levels to a 300 WSM. Or download it a bit with the 180 BT and be shooting a 30-06 basically... but those dog and pony tricks require a guy to be a handloader, so, on balance the 300 WSM makes all kinda sense.

Hey AlaskaCub, you ever mess with downloading your 300 WSM? Or know of anyone doing that? One would think that it would make a darn fine .308 , or 30-06, if that's what a person wanted.

-jeff

This whole thing is getting out of whack, I think Brads point about buying a rifle he could use in FL and then we got the chance to come out west and hunt it would be sufficent. Guys I have killed a lot of elk without a magnum I used a bow I can't fathom the need for a 300 to hunt elk. The 308 is a whole lot more pleasant to shoot although I have only shot a 300 twice in my life and it was not a kimber. The 308 is heck of a lot cheaper to shoot. I think the mentality for magnums is way over blown. Not every one is capable of owning mutiple guns and for this person huuting in Florida the 308 will proabably be as good a choice as a 7mm 06 or any other gun and it will work if he goes west. If he likes to spend money on shells and or is a reloader and does not mind a a little kick than the 300 which is over matched for most of his hunting will work too.

hey Jeff, I met a new client today to refer to you, he's a 325 lover.........<g>

Dober

Smart man!!

-jeff

Who, me for referring him out or him for being a 325 nutcase....<g>?

I almost forgot I guess I am gonna be working with him as he has a home to sell and some land to buy and his parents have a farm where they yearly take 150 class smart deer off of. Last year they took 2 count that 2 160 class whitey's on it....

All in the name of service and customers for life right,,,,right

Dobro

He's gonna love his little sky .308.

Seems like a good choice for him. He hopes to someday hunt out west. Some of us already live here

I choose the 300wsm Montana.