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I'm looking for a lightweight jacket and pant that will keep me dry. I have a lightweight fleece jacket that I can where under this if It's getting cold. Is this jacket any good at cuttin the wind?

Can anyone think of a better product to keep me dry, keep the wind off me and not break the bank??

How breathable is this?

How tough is it?

http://marmot.com/fall_2007/mens/outerwear/shells/precip_jacket


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http://www.patagonia.com/web/us/pro...LL&style_color=84470-950&ws=true

Can't comment on the Marmot but I just got the Alpha Green version of the above (XL only). I'm pretty impressed with the construction although it's only ridden in the pack so far so no real world testing. Price seems right.

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I have used the marmot precip for about 4 years I love it's pit zips its not perfect but it works and is light weight. I am sure that there is something better but I have not found it and the price is pretty good.


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Precip works great and I think its on sale at REI for like 80 bucks right now.

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Pre-cip is not tough per say, it is great lightweight raingear though IME. I use it for backpack hunts where I need weight down, but if tough is what you want I'd look at some HH Impertech or the likes of it.

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Dose it stop wind well?


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It stops wind really well.

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Yes it does. I was sheep hunting a couple years ago and I spotted these 3 rams way up high and put them to bed the night before and camped underneath them and out of sight of them. I woke up and they were still in the same drainage. I set after them at about 5:30 am, once I got up high about noon or so I was within about 450 yards of them and getting ready to look at em through the spotter. All of a sudden the celing dropped on top of me and the wind started wailing (it does this a lot...grin). I didn't have much clothes with me but I hunkered down in the rocks and put on everything I had including the Precip. The Pre-cip did a much better job at bucking the wind than I imagined it would though I was a bit cold it was tolerable.About 3 hours later the celing rose and I could see again and found out that none of the 3 rams were legal (which sucked!). I give Precip the thumbs up.

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I'm getting one tommorow.

Tuff, good call on the sale at REI. Hope they got a XXL


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Thanks guys.

You all give the same thumbs up for the precip pants?


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I like the pants also. I wear them pretty much every morning while hunting so I can sit to glass and not get my butt wet, and no leaks yet. Its going on 4 years that I have had them.

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I bought the marmot orical. The best light weight rain gear for back packing I've found and I've tried alot of rain gear.

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Here's one you can bid on if that's your thing.

http://cgi.ebay.com/NWT-MARMOT-PREC...WD4VQQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1638Q2em124

I am going to get one of these to try also.

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For those who are willing to spend a little more on rain gear, you may try the Integral Designs E-Vent Thru-Hiker Jacket and pants. I just got the jacket and I have to say I really like it. It's made really well, the cut is nice, the color is nice, it's light weight, and I also have to confirm that the hype about E-Vent seems to be true. This fabric seems to be the most breathable waterproof stuff I have ever used. I was afraid of this jacket at first because it doesnt have pit-zips, but for the price ($250), I had to try it before I spent $400-$600 on a new Goretex jacket. Well, this ID jacket without pit-zips keeps me cooler and produces less condensation inside than any other waterproof jacket I've had with pit-zips. I believe the Marmot Precip or Patagonia rain jacket/pants, will run you about $225, unless you find a sale, but for a little more, about $500 total for the ID E-Vent jacket/pants, you can have the best. I plan on buying the ID pants next. Honestly I never understood how most people on these outdoor forums can justify top-of-the-line everything, except for rain gear. Maybe if you live in a high and dry alpine environment, but for everybody else, especially those in the Pacific NorthWest, I never understood how so many guys get by with such lower quality rain gear. I've tried saving money on rain gear in the past, and I cant stand the lesser designs. Maybe it's just me, and the fact my favorite country to ramble is very wet probably has something to do with it. But if you can justify to spend thousands of dollars on Rifles, Shelters, Packs, Sleeping Bags, Boots and everything else, why cut corners with your rain gear? I find uncomfortable rain gear awful to wear, makes me feel really uncomfortable if my gear doesnt keep me dry from the inside and outside, and it has to be strong enough that I'm not afraid to put it on for fear it will disintegrate in the bush. And from what I've seen and tried, like everything else, you have to pay for quality. I find the ID rain gear extremely affordable, that's why I'm suggesting it here, it's also very light weight, and like I've said also very well made and functionable. Any other top-of-the-line rain gear will run you almost double, gear from Arcteryx or OR for example will run you anywhere between $400-$600 for a jacket, and $300-$400 for pants. Just thought I'd throw this info out there, as it is a good deal. Why not save for a couple months if you have to, and get good rain gear, just like you would have to save to get Bino's or a new Rifle? I gaurantee you will see an incredible difference between high end rain gear and lower end rain gear.

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Originally Posted by Shag
I'm looking for a lightweight jacket and pant that will keep me dry. I have a lightweight fleece jacket that I can where under this if It's getting cold. Is this jacket any good at cuttin the wind?

Can anyone think of a better product to keep me dry, keep the wind off me and not break the bank??

How breathable is this?

How tough is it?

http://marmot.com/fall_2007/mens/outerwear/shells/precip_jacket


I frequent a number of BP-ing message boards and, from what I've read only (not any first-hand experience) a number those using it indicate the Precip jacket/material doesn't breathe well. In cold fall weather over other layers I doubt that'd be the issue it would be in warmer, humid weather. Others seem to love it.

Everyone's perception of this stuff is so different, for the money I think I'd give it a shot. I use a Marmot Minimalist jacket for BP-ing and it works well but it's also a lot spendier...






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I have a mule deer hunt in the North Cascades from mid to late sept. I 'm thinking this will be the ticket. Also help lighten the load. And help keep the wind from cutting through me while glassin.



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Let me reiterate that IME with al the gear I have bought over the years that there is no such thing as waterproof and breatheable. Certain designs like arm pit zips help vent the moisture you create from exertion (sweat) but if you want dry from teh outside in your are gonna get a little wet from teh inside out. Thats where layering with synthetics that wick and breathe aid in reducing your own sweat build up. I have always been under the belief that I like dry from the outside in and will deal with my sweat issue as much as I can. You cant have both, it dont exist! Precip is extremely lightweight, easily packable and does repel water, cant see asking for more while backpacking and trying to keep my pack weight down.

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+1 Cub


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+1 Cub.

I have Precip, Goretex, Membrain and Conduit and none of it breathes enough IMO. Out of all my jackets I would say the Precip is the best value.

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AC, agree mostly... got my first Goretex jacket in 1978. Worked "ok"... the next generation worked better, especially with pit zips (even though I rarely use them).

I currently have five Goretex jackets, three Marmots, one Montbell and one North Face. They're all for different purposes and all have pit zips but none do everything. IME, gore fabrics still do the best job of being waterproofish / breathable. There are different gore products for different applications.

For REAL rain, totally waterproof is the only way to go. When I walked a fur piece on the Appalachian trail I used a coated nylon poncho... it breathes because of the sides but is quite waterproof. For some uses I still think a coated nylon poncho or cagoule is the way to go.

Bottom line though, you're going to get damp one way or the other. Trick is not getting wet and cold!

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