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I have three Coopers in a .223, 25-06, and a .308. I am looking to buy something with more oomph for black bear, elk, and other large game. I also want something that is more durable for poor weather and conditions. Debating between the three cartridges. Your thoughts? Pros and cons? I am leaning toward a 300 Win Mag. I am not currently a reloader but that is going to change real soon.

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If your going to handload and use it for elk hunting take a good look at a the 325 WSM in a Kimber Montana.......


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338 Win Mag....



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for a non handloader, myself included..
i would opt for a 300wm or 338wm over the 338-06...
neither one of these are going to do you wrong...accurate and versatile rounds they are...
but i am a HUGE fan of the 338wm, so that would be my choice

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AllenDay must either be off on a trip or boycotting the site because this is a thread he could not resist, and I would put a lot of weight on his opinion because of his extensive experience with them.

First, he would discount the 338-06 because it is too fringe--ammo can�t be found readily.

Then I think he would say that the 300 Win has the advantage in versatility.

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dont discount the 7's either. they kill just as dead with a little less pow going the other way...

add another cooper in excaliber smile 30-06 or the 280 (AI wink ) would certainly do the job.....

short mags do work too!! a ton of offerings in many platforms with the shortys.....

BUT, out of your list and not loading yet i would choose the 338WM. just cause i have been so terribly abused by 300's they make me irregular smile

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The 338-06 walks 100 fps behind the 338 WM with far less powder consumption and far less recoil,nuttin wrong with the 300 & 338 magnum if you dont mind having to have your shoulder relocated and your eyeballs put back into socket,the 338-06 will take any game the 2 larger units will at any reasonable hunting range,only draw back is you gotta reload or buy weatherby ammo for the 338-06.............


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None of the guns you have kick anything like what you are looking at. I would buy a 30-06 unless you are planning a hunt for the largest bears. If you can afford that then buy 2 new guns.



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I shoot all three interchangeably. I tend to use my Ruger No. 1 in .338-06 for woods hunting, as it's a little handier and one shot is usually all you will get. Other than that, the .338 WM is my bad weather rifle (it is in a Rimrock stock), while the .300s get carried for general open country hunting. All three kill elk reliably. If I were going for grizzly, I would definitely take the .338 WM, but for black bears any of them would be equally lethal with good bullets.


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I would buy a synthetic stainless rifle in 300 win mag or 300 wsm. I have a Model 70 winchester Classic Stainless in 300 win mag that I have used for deer,elk,and black bear. I have a custom rifle from Hill Country rifles that has taken a couple of bull elk very nicely.

Rifles that I would look at would be Remington 700,Browning Abolt,Winchester M70,Ruger M77,and Kimber Montana. Get the one that fells and looks good to you and you're done.

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Originally Posted by woofer


add another cooper in excaliber smile 30-06 or the 280 (AI wink ) would certainly do the job.....

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Can get the Excalibur in the 338-06 or a Whelen too.... smile


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The Excalibur is a beautiful rifle and aso comes in a 30-06



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didn't do the 338-06 as he doesn't load yet... PIA...

i think they bagged the 35 whelen offering.....

personally, the 280 rocks...

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Faced with the same dilemma years ago, I picked the 300 win mag (although I have owned a few 338's)and could not find fault.If you count up the number of animals continent (or world) wide,that require MORE gun than a 180 gr bullet at 3000-3100,or a good 200 gr at 2900-3000(or a lighter TSX,whatever),you will maybe use all the fingers on one hand.

If you NEED more than a 300 mag,IMO you need a LOT more and a jump to at least a 375 would be advisable.I would vote "300 mag" and buy a dedicated buff or bear rifle,if needed.JMHO.(grin)




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Originally Posted by woofer

personally, the 280 rocks...
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Yep. Got one myself, and a 280IBM (Itty Bitty Magnum) aka 7SAUM.


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oh yeah. reminds me i gotta' finish mine.. picked up 400 pcs of new brass the other day wink

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IF you were a handloader, I'd say 338-06 hands down. You're not so I'll say the 338WM as long as you can handle the recoil. There isn't going to be that much difference between the 300WM and 338WM so go with the bigger one. (I like any 338 so take that for what it's worth). If you're concerned about recoil, find a similar rifle to shoot first if you can. If not, just get a 7.5 pound 30-06 and call it a day.

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The Remington Model 700 XCR (Xtreme Conditions Rifle) in 338 Win Mag is what I have, as far as .338 anyway, and I have found it to be very weather resistant as well as very shootable. That stock does a good job with recoil, despite being butt-ass-FUGLY.

As STA already said, don't overlook a Kimber Montana in .325 WSM or 300 WSM.

As far as recoil, that's a personal thing. I'm of the opinion that at least up to .338 levels of recoil, it's a mental thing that can, for most people, be dealt with by just shooting the dang firestick! However, there are some people that are just wired wrong as far as handling recoil. I can understand that as I'm wired wrong to handle, oh, being on a boat in choppy waves <g>. So, if the original poster has recoil issues then I would say 338-06 makes all kinda sense- or a 7mm magnum. If not, then 338 Win Mag all the way!

Just my opinion.

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