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hey antler, will you do me a favor and show me post 9-11 how many democrats including the Clintons were calling BS on WMD in Iraq?
IIRC the chorus was singing the same song. Nearly everybody was supportive of Bush's early post 9/11 plans...most of the Democrats, including the Clintons, were on board with most of the rest of the country. The members of Congress were lied to by Bush, so they supported it... just like the mass of America was lied to by Bush, so we supported it...no mystery there. They haven't even found so much as a can of Raid over there in Iraq.
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America was built by a good work ethic and a prudent financial disposition as much as anything else. As a nation of builders and craftsmen we were unparalleled. It is not coincidence that as Americans were taught that they and their work didn't matter they also acted as if the financial discipline that accompanied it didn't matter either.
Work and save. Save and work. The back bone of successful countries everywhere.
But history is also rife with the stories of once great countries who borrowed and spent their way into servitude. They are the also rans who got left behind as more disciplined and responsible countries passed them by.
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Smellin' a lot of 'if' coming off this plan.
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Will, no disagreement here on the weakening of the work ethic, the rise of a borrow and consume mentality, or the general coarsening of American culture.
But I disagree that a tariff wall will cure those problems, or even ameliorate them. That problem lies within our borders....in our devo society.
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Can't we all just agree to disagree!
But personally I think we can do better than Bush
Many men go fishing all their lives without knowing that it is not fish they are after. - Henry David Thoreau
The best part of hunting and fishing was the thinking about going and the talking about it after you got back. - Robert Ruark
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Will, no disagreement here on the weakening of the work ethic,
A good work ethic and a dollar will buy you a cup of coffee after the factory closes down and moves to China.
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No, they found hundreds of tons of yellow cake uranium ore, among many other tidbits. They did not find the massive quantities of operational WMDs they expected, yet. But of course nobody has searched Syria or Iran yet....and he had months to move them.
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And you can't cure obtuseness. Bank foreclosures amount to 2% (that two out of every one hundred) of the total mortages held. And that is as a result (mainly) of banks loaning money to people that had no business taking on that type of debt.
Gas is four dollars a gallon because demand is far exceeding supply and the Congress won't let oil companies (9% profit margin rate) drill domestically where we have plenty of oil
Why do you seem to revel in fabricating bad news? Man you must drink Maalox by the gallon. jorge
So...the Bush plan is to bail out the banks, even though the banks were "loaning money to people that had no business taking on that type of debt". Sound logic. Gas is $4 bucks a gallon because of market speculation. The recent run-up in oil prices is due more to speculation in the commodities market than to supply shortages. Fabrication? Tell 'that' to the millions of Americans who are struggling now.
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Congratulations, "antlers" you are now the undisputed winner of the most factless, erroneous and moronic posts on this forum. That's quite an accomplishment.
BTW, you'll find that if you swim at the deeper end of the gene pool, there's more oxygen there. But ok, I'll bite, the intelligence Bush saw was the same and independently delivered to members of Congress. It was the same intelligence that the previous administration received, as well as independent estimates from several other intelligence sources, like the british, French, Israeli and even Russian. They all said the same thing prior to Bush ever taking the oath of office.
Say, did you read what Steve No wrote about Kyoto and when it was rejected (95-0) by the Senate? jorge
A good principle to guide me through life: “This is all I have come to expect, standard lackluster performance. Trust nothing, believe no one and realize it will only get worse…”
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No, they found hundreds of tons of yellow cake Don't-drop-dat-chit! http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=4NSZiq_-CcQ
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Every day on this side of the ground is a win.
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Many men go fishing all their lives without knowing that it is not fish they are after. - Henry David Thoreau
The best part of hunting and fishing was the thinking about going and the talking about it after you got back. - Robert Ruark
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Reading and facts are not the reason his organization asked him to come here. They have a assigned agenda, my man!!
He's a planted goofball, just like a couple others.
The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it to change; the realist adjusts the sails.
William Arthur Ward
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you're babbling, man
must be shell-shock from all those terrorist attacks you've suffered through since 9-11 Yeah...the same number of terrorist attacks on our soil during the Clinton administration since the 1st WTC bombing and the end of his terms...ZERO.
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I took about five minutes trying to even find wherever this started and couldn't do it, so I'll just stipulate you one and then deduct ten from your score for all the other points I made that you didn't even bother to address. Fair enough? Or not.
Assuming all the lunatics are wrong, I've always believed we were attacked basically because we are not Muslims, by and large. It doesn't help that people who are citizens here band together with the Muslims' own leaders who consistently rape them of their wealth all the while using their religion and its leaders to stir them up against the population of the west which is pretty much innocent, save for not doing anything about our own corrupt politicos.
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OK...so...opinions are like a$$holes...
some more than others And most of them stink!
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Steve, what is the end game for the U.S. with globalization? What are we going to do with millions of industrial workers that will be displaced? There will not be enough demand in the service sector to employ them all, even if we were not importing millions of illegals into the country to fill the lower level service jobs. So, what are we going to do with them? Put them on welfare and increase our already over bloated entitlement class? Let them eat Cake? That didn't work to well for the French Monarchy. What are we going to do when our "globalized" U.S. enconomy will no longer support employment our population?
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Plenty of industrial jobs around here. So many, in fact, they are importing asians to do them. I'm serious, Americans just don't want to come to places like this to work. Can't really blame 'em though.
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you're babbling, man
must be shell-shock from all those terrorist attacks you've suffered through since 9-11 Yeah...the same number of terrorist attacks on our soil during the Clinton administration since the 1st WTC bombing and the end of his terms...ZERO. Since embassies and US warships are legally US soil you're wrong even by your narrow definition, the two African embassies and the USS Cole were attacked under Clinton. Plus the truck bombing of the Khobar Towers barracks in Saudi Arabia. You really are clueless, man.
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Congratulations, "antlers" you are now the undisputed winner of the most factless, erroneous and moronic posts on this forum. That's quite an accomplishment.
BTW, you'll find that if you swim at the deeper end of the gene pool, there's more oxygen there. But ok, I'll bite, the intelligence Bush saw was the same and independently delivered to members of Congress. It was the same intelligence that the previous administration received, as well as independent estimates from several other intelligence sources, like the british, French, Israeli and even Russian. They all said the same thing prior to Bush ever taking the oath of office.
Say, did you read what Steve No wrote about Kyoto and when it was rejected (95-0) by the Senate? jorge It's easier to insult in a faceless forum such as this, isn't it? Don't take out your frustrations on me, just because 'your guy' just happens to be the worst thing to ever happen to this country. Being a Bush supporter, you ought to be quite familiar with "factless, erroneous, and moronic"...since those terms characterize just about everything Bush ever does or says. "The buck stops at the top" unless your 'W'...then it's everybody elses fault but yours! If you want to twist and rewrite history to make yourself feel better...have at it.
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