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so you think attacks on US troops' humvees in a war/occupation zone....which we instantly and forcefully retaliate for....are in any way analogous to massive unpunished peacetime attacks on US diplomats and troops and ships in neutral countries or at sea.
the statement from Antlers was that there were no attacks on the US after the WTC....which BTW was also unpunished except by a criminal prosecution on a few al Qs we caught here.
In fact, there were devastating attacks on two embassies, a warship and a barracks, with massive loss of life and no real retaliation. That was the Clinton legacy.
If you think there's a parallel between that and attacks on the troops in Iraq, you need to restudy the definition of parallel.
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find something they need (or you can convince them they need ;)) and sell it to them.
Whenever anyone does that, they hire the Chinese to manufacture it.
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Steve,
To be fair if you want to count the Khobar Towers then you need to count the Riyadh compound.
Piper
Quite right, Piper. You are absolutely correct. My bad.
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Yeah...the same number of terrorist attacks on our soil during the Clinton administration since the 1st WTC bombing and the end of his terms...ZERO. What? Oklahoma's Alfred P. Murrah federal building doesn't count as US soil? Is that the new [color:#3366FF][b][u]Obama Geography[/u][/b][/color] that they're teaching the kids now'days? More 'reaching' and distortion...things Bush is very good at. I don't believe the member who made the original post that pointed out "no attacks on American soil since 9/11" was intent on including domestic terrorism (Americans versus Americans)...nor was I. We 'are' after all, talking about Iraq, and foreign policy, among other things. 9/11 was a 'foreign' terrorist attack, and the original poster made his comment in that light, and my subsequent comments were made in that light also. Nice try though!
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find something they need (or you can convince them they need ;)) and sell it to them.
Whenever anyone does that, they hire the Chinese to manufacture it. you can't tariff yourself out of being uncompetitive....if you can't make anything better and cheaper than China, you better get out of the making business and into the thinking business
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find something they need (or you can convince them they need ;)) and sell it to them.
Whenever anyone does that, they hire the Chinese to manufacture it. you can't tariff yourself out of being uncompetitive....if you can't make anything better and cheaper than China, you better get out of the making business and into the thinking business The people in the thinking business have decided that they want the Chinese to do their making for them.
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"I respectfully disagree...he's done his damndest to drive this country into the ground. His administration has been the most crooked, corrupt, and treasonous in my lifetime. And I personally believe Bush is a puppet, a moron, a liar, a thief, and a mass murderer. It will take our country decades to recover, if we ever can, from his presidency. His legacy will include being a leadership that answered to nobody but itself!"
All these kind words coming from a person that doesn't like being called names or told that he truly is full of chit. You whine about not being able to carry on a decent debate here; but I challenge you to see how long a conservative poster would be tolerated at Huffingtonpost or DailyKos.
Moving right along here..I see by the above quote that you think GWB is the equivalent of the anti-Christ and that he willfully, joyfully, and intentionally has tried to bring this nation down. You and your hypocrisy really slay me. If he and his ilk are in it just for the oil $$$$$$ would it makes sense to destroy the goose that lays the goleden egg? Your are no more than a liberal, deluded troll; one of the "true believers" ; one of the pod people from the far secular/progessive left and it is your kind that wants to bring this nation down and set up a socialist state empowered by a one-world government. You are to be pitied. And defeated at every turn.
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Soli Deo Gloria!
I don't think it's too hard for most people to understand the difference between critisizing the post itself, and calling the poster names. No, it doesn't make sense to 'cut the head off of the golden goose'...but they are! As for the rest of your post, and your personal attacks on me...YAWN.
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Mr Antlers,
It does appear that you are a Troll plant from moveon.liberal or some such nonsense.
When are you going to post about elk hunting or handloads?
We see you for what you are,nice try. Are you gay,muslim,or a proabortion nut? You are so passionate,it has to be one of those hard core true believer things.
As opposed to a Jerry Fallwell type heterosexual, who wants a Constitutional Amendment that says 'marriage is between one man and one woman'...how insecure can one be? As opposed to a Pat Robertson 'christian', who is so greedy that he went into a gold-mining venture in Liberia with Charles Taylor...just think 'blood diamonds'. I guess all those checks, money orders, and love offerings weren't enough...he found time to do business with a butcher. As opposed to a self-righteous anti-abortion nut who holds up large photographs of a bloody, dead fetus in a crowd that includes small children, who are not responsible for this and shouldn't be exposed to this violent content. They hold these photos up for all the children to see...hypocrites who care more about an unborn child than the kids who are standing right in front of them. No thanks. The truth is what it is. Antlers, i kind of liked your insights for awhile. Don't judge us all by what a few idiots do or say. We aren't all Fallwell's or Robertson's
Many men go fishing all their lives without knowing that it is not fish they are after. - Henry David Thoreau
The best part of hunting and fishing was the thinking about going and the talking about it after you got back. - Robert Ruark
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I've always wondered about what mentality it takes to troll around the internet, looking for new sites to crash, and see how quickly you can become a laughingstock to hundreds of people.
Do you, like, go back and post the link to the Campfire threads on leftie sites and say "look at these dumass rubes who still respect the president and want to win the war?"
Do you own a firearm? Do you hunt with it? Do you have any "antlers"? Other than spouting standard issue juvenalia from MoveOn or DU, have you anything at all to contribute to the site?
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find something they need (or you can convince them they need ;)) and sell it to them.
Whenever anyone does that, they hire the Chinese to manufacture it. you can't tariff yourself out of being uncompetitive....if you can't make anything better and cheaper than China, you better get out of the making business and into the thinking business The people in the thinking business have decided that they want the Chinese to do their making for them. Just looked it up,.. the average yearly pay in China is 25,000 yuan,.. which translates into $3,600. When Americans begin accepting $3,600 a year for their labor, America will be able to compete with the Chinese. Until then, forget it.
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"personal attacks"
I believe that is the only reason you showed up. I'm just calling a spade a spade. Or does the shoe fit a little tight?
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Soli Deo Gloria!
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Steve,
My point was you can't excuse Reagan for the attack in Beirut, blame Clinton for the Attacks under his watch and then turn around and give Bush a pass on 9-11.
There are a lot of definitions of terror and terror attacks and you are right it's not fair to count attacks on the Military as terrror attacks. I guess if they hit the embassy in the green zone its just war as usual.
Someone else mentioned the Oak city bombing and if we want to count that then there are others that have to be counted as well.
It's really an useless argument, since the terrorists could care less who is in power when they have the chance to strike and they will strike again at the softest target they can find.
I enjoyed the chat but its cocktail time in Texas.
You take care and I'll see ya later
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so you think attacks on US troops' humvees in a war/occupation zone....which we instantly and forcefully retaliate for....are in any way analogous to massive unpunished peacetime attacks on US diplomats and troops and ships in neutral countries or at sea.
the statement from Antlers was that there were no attacks on the US after the WTC....which BTW was also unpunished except by a criminal prosecution on a few al Qs we caught here.
In fact, there were devastating attacks on two embassies, a warship and a barracks, with massive loss of life and no real retaliation. That was the Clinton legacy.
If you think there's a parallel between that and attacks on the troops in Iraq, you need to restudy the definition of parallel. Don't stray from the truth...something Bush often does...I said "no attacks 'on American soil' since the 1st WTC bombings"...not "no attacks on the US after the WTC" as you attribute to me.
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antlers, the Campfire already has a resident "Oh No" chorus. They don't always make much sense, but they always have an intersting perspective and even an original thought from time to time. Regurgitating MoveOn talking points will eventually annoy even the people who agree with you. Developing a sense of humor wouldn't hurt, either, or did the evil BushCo slash Humor Enrichment Grants for dull, whiney leftists on top of all his other perfidy?
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive." - C.S. Lewis
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Mr Antlers,
It does appear that you are a Troll plant from moveon.liberal or some such nonsense.
When are you going to post about elk hunting or handloads?
We see you for what you are,nice try. Are you gay,muslim,or a proabortion nut? You are so passionate,it has to be one of those hard core true believer things.
As opposed to a Jerry Fallwell type heterosexual, who wants a Constitutional Amendment that says 'marriage is between one man and one woman'...how insecure can one be? As opposed to a Pat Robertson 'christian', who is so greedy that he went into a gold-mining venture in Liberia with Charles Taylor...just think 'blood diamonds'. I guess all those checks, money orders, and love offerings weren't enough...he found time to do business with a butcher. As opposed to a self-righteous anti-abortion nut who holds up large photographs of a bloody, dead fetus in a crowd that includes small children, who are not responsible for this and shouldn't be exposed to this violent content. They hold these photos up for all the children to see...hypocrites who care more about an unborn child than the kids who are standing right in front of them. No thanks. The truth is what it is. Antlers, i kind of liked your insights for awhile. Don't judge us all by what a few idiots do or say. We aren't all Fallwell's or Robertson's Agreed...I know you're not all "Fallwell's or Robertson's". No offense to you, sir.
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As I explained to you once, but will do again.....embassies and warships, as a matter of law, ARE United States soil. As an apologist and surrender monkey, I am not surprised you would seek to minimize the significance of the destruction of two embassies and a suicide attack on a warship.
Kind of comes with the territory.
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Agreed...I know you're not all "Fallwell's or Robertson's".
The fact that you even bring them up is just more evidence you're just a provacateur.....singing from the MoveOn play book.....gun-nuts....religious right....Bush Lied, People Died...we've seen this before.
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we've seen this before
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He's one of the dumbest of the dumb, though!
The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it to change; the realist adjusts the sails.
William Arthur Ward
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Ennybuddy who don't lak Bush is one 'nem move-own.ork dummace's.
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If its labor a Chinese peasant can do as well for $3600 a year as an American union worker can do for twenty times that, it doesn't take a genius to figure out who's going to end up getting that work.
your number is low, because its distorted by averaging in hundreds of millions of subsistence farmers, but even an average industrial wage would be a fraction of what it is here....as is the standard of living, and the cost of living.
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