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Be a heck of a lot easier if we wean ourselves off of the loans on our own accord that if they cut us off. :p

But it will hurt either way won't it?

Will

I don't understand you to be talking about those....you're talking about exporting jobs and facilities that do economic damage. If you're talking about secret defense products or info, that's already covered.

Steve, you know as well as I do that wealth is the ultimate strategic weapon of war. What made us a super power wasn't our nuclear capability, it was the wealth we possessed that allowed us to fight a war on two fronts, supply our allies, as well as ourselves, and develop a nuclear capability. There will never be an all out conventional or nuclear war between the super powers; warfare is now economic. We are fighting WWIII right now, and we are losing. Exporting wealth in the middle of an economic war is just as bas as exporting weaponry or strategic information during a conventional war.

What a rational and eloquent response.

Troll? Is that 'your' definition of somebody that disagrees with you on politics? Can 'you' contribute anything other than name-calling?

I didn't think so. Maybe you'll surprise me...but, I doubt it.

Hey Gadfly,

I realize I'm new here, but doesn't good forum etiquette require some sort of an apology when you blatently HIJACK SOMEONE'S THREAD!!!!

that's what I thought you meant.....you're talking macro, not specific products

I thought so, just making sure you're talking about the government prohibiting private parties from making their own business decisions about their own property, solely in the interest of the "common good." As defined by the government du jour.

Still say, if you do that, you've become a socialist (at least) state, so what were you protecting in the first place.

Nemesis...I don't mind at all. It's what happens here and it's SOP.

I'm learning from the exchange anyways. You just gotta stay your course, regardless.

The Campfire is famous for some bizarre hijacking and this ain't nothing.

Besides, as I said earlier, I'm learning and that's never a bad thing.Unfortunately, I'm learning that my bud, WILL, is bucking to get into the "Band"

'You', for some reason, seem to be threatened by gays. If 'you' are secure in 'your' manhood...then why are 'you' so threatened by gays? 'You' keep bringing the subject up on this thread, for some reason? "Bush had the good sense to stand up for the Judeo-Christian family"...now that's hilarious. Doesn't matter that he has no problem at all lying to them, killing their children in Iraq, taking money away from them and giving it to Corporate America, and just being the blithering idiot and laughingstock that he is, the world over...just as long as he stands up for "the Judeo-Christian traditional family". If 'your' marriage is threatened by gays...then 'your' marriage isn't very strong in the first place...is it?

The thread is 35 pages long,.... there's maybe 5 people here who would vote for Bush for a 3rd term.

Do the arithmetic.

Bush will be remembered from the right as the president that squandared a great opportunity. Republican president, republican congress for a number of years...and out of that came what? Campaign finance reform and Ted Kennedy's education bill?

Pretty underwhelming there for the legislation that will go on for decades if not longer.

Great opportunity and he flushed it down the toilet.

Don't blame me for how easy it is to "Pied Piper" the whiners and doom and gloomers to a thread!

And , you get guys like Antlerless...do the math!

No, I just fail to see how allowing Europe to impose an average of 15% tax to American products we ship to their shores while rebating an average 15% to their exports to us is 'free trade'. This is what all of that free trade garbage was supposed to eliminate.

These are tariffs and subsidies. Period.

And our economic and political elite have acted like America hemorrhaging jobs and tax base is just the natural consequence of 'competition'. No it is a natural product of allowing other countries to protect and nurture their industries while we have set the wolves loose on ours. It is a national disgrace.

And yes, I blame GW Bush for being an ignorant ideologue who watched it all unfold for going on 8 years without lifting a finger to stop it.

And for the record I blamed Bill Clinton for doing the same thing.

Will

My answer to 'fix it' is to get him out of there. And to not replace him with McBush...I mean, McCain. That's a start. Actually, as far as 'fix it' goes...I think it will take decades to recover, if we ever can, from the damage that his administration has done to this country. I know that 'if you do what you've always done, you'll get what you've always gotten'. That's why I'll be voting for whoever the Democratic nominee is, in November. Who gets 'your' vote? I'm not excited about any of the candidates. Are you?

The only whiners I see are the hard shell GOP dead enders who are snottin' at the nose because so many people refuse join them in bending over and taking one for the team by voting for McCain.

If McCain wants my vote,.. the first thing he needs to do is have that unsightly growth removed from his shoulder.

I see this line of debate as germane to the topic. Isaac Thinks that GWB was a good President and would like to have more of the same, as would SteveNo. I see GWB as corporate puppet who has continued (Clinton was just as bad) to allow corporations to sell our nation down the drain for sake of profit. I do not want more of the same. I am directing my dicussions towards Steve because I find him a more informed and more interesting debater than Isaac (sorry Bob). Your post count means nothing to me, high or low. Interesting that with all of the divergent discussions that this thread has spawned, you choose this one to protest. Did I strike a nerve?

Bristoe:

"The thread is 35 pages long,.... there's maybe 5 people here who would vote for Bush for a 3rd term."

Nemesis:

So Mr. Bristoe, who will be your choice in the upcoming Presidential election?

I'm gonna write in my buddy "Bill".

I may even petition him to make me his Veep.

How about a country that still recognizes individual rights like freedom of speech, freedom of (and from) religion, the right to bear arms, due process of law, ect. You don't seem to grasp the gravity of the situation, we are facing economic submersion. You've been to China and have seen how things work over there. Is that what you want for here? For your kids? It will happen if we continue to weaken our nation by exporting our manufacturing. We will be an economic basket case that an economically stronger nation (most likely China) will walk in and take over without firing a shot. How do you think your personal wealth would fare under their system?