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Do I use a Rem follower also??

That military trigger can be honed to a fare-the-well ...

I did and do. Must keep in mind that my 1917 has been trimmed down in the middle from a 7 round capacity to the more normal 4-5. Only when this has been done wil the remmy box and follower work but in my rifle they work well.

I see that Bell and Carslon make a stock for the 1917. do you think this stock should fit my Rem model30 without any problems?

It should, but a great classic action like yours deserves good wood! Boyds stocks has good options and that is what mine is wearing. A Boyds JRS classic.

safariman,
By trimming are you talking about bottom metal that's been cut and straightened? If so ... and a Rem700 magazine box will be all that's required ... I'm tempted to swim the Pacific and give you a bloody big kiss. That's a fantastic tip on getting a H&H length magazine box in there on the cheap!!
Cheers...
Con

Con,

Yes, that is what I meant, but I almost did not post this confirmation as I am pretty sure that I do not want your lips anywhere near me!!

Geez safariman,
No need to get personal and nasty I'll strip a magbox from one of my Rem700 and see how it fits into a sporterised M17 with straightened floorplate and how much work is needed to get it in there. I can see a 'big' M17 in my future ... it's a bit boring as a 30/06!! Many thanks again for a great tip!!
Cheers...
Con

The M-17 box has thick locating tabs at either end.They really only just take up length.The Gunparts replacement magnum box uses sheet metal.In an old book on sporterizing,the gunsmith used corner pins for locating the box. It's worth while adding shoulder strips for feeding when modifying the box.For my 358Norma I had Bill just turn the back U around.But I was just looking for a more usable 300WM length than 3.340.

It is criminal to waste those huge old actions on such mundane small calibers such as the .416 Rem and 458 Lott, those are std. length action calibers, and anyone making a 06 out of one should be gilflurted and stringhaultered! ...

A good Rem M-30 or 1917 Enfield should be no less than a 500 Jefferys or 505 Gibbs, something big and mean that will loosen your bicuspids and make you wet your pants, now thats a real gun!:)

Ray, My retinas work better when they're attached!!

My stock is already set up for a drop magazine. I want to keep the extra capacity of the mag. Who can do the work of cutting and turning the ends of the mag box around?? How many H&H rounds will fit in the military drop mag box??

If it were me I would send it to Jim Rector in La Grande Oregon. Jim is a great metalsmith who does not charge an arm and a leg and who loves big guns. Builds wickedly wierd stuff like .585 Nyati's

He has my FN action for upgrading the safety to a Gentry 3 position and he did some of the work on my CZ 550 416 Rigby that I wrote about in African Hunter. He also did some of the metalsmithing on a .458 Lott Mauser that currently resides in Zimbabwe. Ross Seyfreid uses him a lot and I have run into Ross at Jim's shop several times. Jims phone number is 541-963-0521. Tell him I sent you and said hello.

The B&C Carbelite is for the drop magazine of the 1917 Enfield.

If you have straight bottom metal as the remington 30 does you need to rasp and snd it down to fit as I did with my 308 Norma.

I don't cre for the stock though. It reminds me too much of an A-Square and i like the lines of a classic stock more.

I put the Enfield back in the wood stock it came out of.

MPI makes anice classic fibreglass stock for a Remington 30S/ Enfield. Otherwise the JRS works but they tend to be awfully heavy when combined with a 1917.

I've got 2 of them, a Remington M17 in 450 Ackley Mag and an Eddystone in 500 Jeffery. The Jeffery wears a Boyds laminated stock and the Ackley is currently getting a Richards Microfit stock put on it. I think they are a great action, the Ackley of mine has a cock-on opening kit, beefed up main spring, custom bolt handle, Timney trigger and fits 4 in the mag as well.
One of the better action in my opinion for big calibres.

DC

500Jeffery, do you have any pics of your rifles you might want to post? This is starting to get me motivated to do something with my Model 30 express. SL

"MPI makes anice classic fibreglass stock for a Remington 30S/ Enfield. Otherwise the JRS works but they tend to be awfully heavy when combined with a 1917. "

Agreed that as they come from Boyds they can weigh a lot BUT, that is a GOOD thing with any .450 or 500 caliber rifle. My two JRS stocks have been slimmed down a bunch from original and the grip area opened up to a more open classic configuration. My 1917 in 340 has a barrel contour that matches a Winchester featherweight so all together is not a heavy rifle at all. The Boyds laminated Walnut brown stocks when trimmed down a bit then stained dark walnut and checkered and finished in a gloss or semi gloss look and feel - and work - great.

Have always wondered why the 1914/1917 Enfield action was made so gigantic, my limited understanding is that originally the Brits planned to adopt a big 7mm, something like a .280 Ross perhaps, that required a long action. This was around 1912-13. Then WWI started and they altered them for the .303, that was the 1914, and then when the US came into the war we started making them in '06, as the 1917. I have never come across the specs for the original 7mm but as the Brits would have adopted it if not for the start of the war, it must have been a fully developed cartridge and at that size a powerhouse.

From:
http://www.jouster.com/cgi-bin/1917enfield/1917.pl?noframes;read=10914

It has often been stated that the .276 Enfield, the cartridge for which the British Pattern 1913 rifle was designed, was similar to or identical with the .280 Ross. That statement has appeared in print and has been blindly repeated over the years. But it is not true.

The .280 Ross is a long, tapered, cartridge, with a case length of 2.59" and a cartridge overall length of 3.5". The .276 Enfield has a case length of 2.35" and a COL of 3.23", shorter than the .30-'06, and only about 0.17" longer than the .303 British.

While the English designers may have wanted to duplicate or exceed the ballistics of the .280 Ross, they did not use the same cartridge, or even one "similar".

Where the .276 Enfield is distinctly different from the .303 is its base diameter. It has a rebated rim, with a base diameter of .525" and a rim diameter of .515". So it is not a long cartridge, but is a fat one, though not as fat at the base as the .280 Ross.

The large base of the .276 Enfield meant that the Pattern 1913 magazine had to be large to accept five rounds; the result was a distinct "belly" on the Pattern 1913 rifle. That space came in handy when the rifle design was changed to handle the rimmed .303 British, and renamed the Pattern 1914. When the rifle was again converted, this time to .30-'06 as the U.S. Model 1917, the magazine was found to accept six rounds of the thinner, rimless cartridge, though the rifle was always referred to as being five-shot, and was loaded with the standard M1903 five round clip.

So, in brief, the .280 Ross and the .276 Enfield have almost nothing in common except bullet diameter.

From:
http://www.quarry.nildram.co.uk/UKcarts.jpg

SLDuck,
Happy to post some pics, will have to wait until the Richards stock is fitted to my 450 Ackley, then I'll post some.

DC