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Excellent point.

BMT

Last night, I compared the 30 remmy case to the 223 and from base to shoulder, both the same. The internal diamentions were bigger than 7.62x39. This is gonna be a good little round, especially in places where deer an't so hard to kill. lol Since the 30 remmy was a ballastic twin for 30-30, this should be a near twin to the 7mm waters. Even in the west, the deer hitting/killing is inside 300 yd. There is a lotta shooting past that, but there are a lotta things to go wrong in the field past 300 yd. I think it is about time to interduce people the pleasure of shooting rifles that don't punish you. dingus

Just a little more info for this new round. Sounds like
Remington has plans for it.



http://www.biggerhammer.net/m96/wwwboard/index.cgi?read=5732

Remington has the ballistics of this round on there website.

They allow you to compare ballistics with other rounds and the 6.8 Rem. SPC does not look bad.

How about a Remington Model Seven stainless chambered in the 6.8 ?

Anyone else hoping the Xp-100 or an updated version returns chambered in this cartridge? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Dingus, on the surface a 6.5 or 7mm might seem logical but I bet they were looked at and found that the desired bullet weight in the 6.5 was too long to make the conversion and the 7mm just wouldn't make the velocity or perform with the chosen case as the .277 would. Looka like the military is trying the KISS principal for once. I like the Idea.

Bullwnkl.

How many of you know that M1 Grand was orginally designed to use the 276 Pederson round. It was a different case then the 30-06 (smaller) and would have been 10 rounds instead of 8 of the 30-06. This was in 1934 or 35.

The M1 Grand was delayed to service inorder to rework it to use 30-06 round upon the insistence of the army.

Just think ... it has only taken us 70 years to get to where John Grand had us. BTW John Grand was a Canadian ... so some great things do come from Canada, at least back then.

Also of note ... anyone else notice that the 7.62x39, and the new 6.8 x 43 energy is about the same as the standard 30-30 round. It seems the more things change the more they stay the same. I guess the needs of the military in small arms has not really changed that much in the last hundred years. Now if we could only get the 45 back as the sidearm instead of the inferior 9mm we might get somewhere. JMHO

One thing I find interesting about this possibility is that if ammo manufacturers begin producing this round, they'll have equipment on hand to produce .25, ,30 and .32 Remington ammo as well. This could lead to a new life for a lot of excellent old guns sitting in the back of closets out there. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

I passed on a .30 Remington last year because of the problems in getting brass. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />

Douglas MacArthur was chief of staff in the 1930s when the Garand was under development. He ordered the abandonment of the .276 and the redesign of the rifle to use .30'06, the reason given was the immense stocks of .30 ammunition left over from World War I.

The March issue of RifleShooter has -First Look: at The 6.8mm Remington SPC.



Gary Johnston uses a CZ Model 527 with a 22" barrel.



You want to talk about an efficient cartridge then this is it.

He wrights that he is getting 2,971 fps with the 110 grain Hornady V-Max bullet.

There is photos of a 200 + lb Mule Deer buck that he took at 75 yards with the 6.8 Rem.

He goes on to mention that Remington is expected to introduce rifles for the 6.8mm SPC soon. One rumor is that a heavy-barrel tactical rifle and possibly a Model Seven.



I e-mailed Remington February 4th --

Customer (Todd) --

Is Remington going to offer the 6.8 Rem SPC in one of there bolt actions? Model Seven or 700 LV SF ? I'm sure alot of folks would be interested in a short lightweight rifle chambered for this caliber.

Thanks, Todd Wheeler



Response ( Jessica )

Dear Todd,

Thank you for your interest in our products. We do not have immediate plans to offer a rifle chambered in 6.8 Rem SPC. We have recieved several suggestions similar to yours and appreciate you taking the time to wright in. We routinely forward all suggestions to our marketing departments for review. Consumer feedback allows us to understand consumer perception of our products. The greater the number of suggestions for a particular issue, the greater the likelihood of implementing the suggestion. -Remington-



I figure we will no more after the SHOT show, but if any of you are interested e-mail Remington and let them know what you wont.

I predict that if this diameter bullet takes off, soon someone will bring out the 6.8 on an even bigger case, perhaps the 30/06 necked down, and stuff some even heavier bullets in it...

TIC

Royce

The caliber is the .270 (.277") so the bullets are already in place.

90 grain - Speer , Sierra
100 grain - Hornady , Remington, Barnes X, Speer
110 grain - Hornady, Sierra
115 grain - Remington
120 grain - Barnes
130 grain - Everybody

uneducated estimation -
22" bolt action-
90 grain Speer TNT for varmints at 3100 fps.
115 grain Remington Core-Lokt at 2800 fps. for deer.
110 grain Hornady V-Max target load at around 2900 fps.

What a cool idea! I'm thinking a bullet with a sectional density in the .240-.250 range, in that diameter a 130 grain bullet ought to be just about right. Right off the top of my head I'm guessing a fellow could get between 3100 and 3200 fps with it, even out of a 22" barrel.

On second thought, naaahhh! Too light, not fast enough. What could you shoot with it 'cept little whitetails or such? It'd bounce off of elk.

Oh well, it was a good thought, just probably wouldn't be very practical. Doubt anybody would sell more than 2 or 3 rifles chambered like that.

Jim in Idaho

Thanks for pointing out the error in my thinking. Of course, a 130 grain bullet at 3000 feet per second would be inadequate for big game hunting.
What would you think of necking perhaps a 20 mm cannon round down to 277 caliber, using a 130 grain bonded bullet with a plastice tip, a partition, molycoated, quadruple shock designed, with a moderately hot swaged, inter-intrabond core at about 8000 feet per second?
I am sure that I could kill lots more deer ank elk with this combo than I could with that old 30/06 that I drag around.

TIC

Royce

Why don't you make this wildcat up yourself? Neck down a .30-06 to .277 caliber and call it the 6.8 Royce!

For such a project, you might want to house your new design in a pre-64 Model 70 action. Don't you agree that such a new-fangled design would be well suited to such a classic action? I predict that this kind of cartridge might have a viable niche, and you could start writing articles about it, maybe even starting a feud with some of the writers who demand big, slow-moving bullets for stopping game.

I've just had a reloading epiphany! Why don't you start your load development with a decent 130-grain bullet pushed by something approaching 60 grains of H4831 in this new cartridge? If this works, I hope you will give me credit for creating the first load for this 6.8 Royce!

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P17

Thanks for the encouragement. I think I might work on that wildcat. However, I don't think I will use the 30/06 case, because I think the 30/06 is just a flash in the pan that will never find any long term success with the American shooting public, therefore brass would be hard to find after a few years. I believe I will go with a more mainstream cartridge like the 7.7 Jap.
Same thing with the Model 70 Winchester that you mentioned. I am not familiar with that action, but here again I will go with something more mainstream like the Schmidt-Rueben straight pull action.
Thanks again for your input.

TIC

Royce

Looks like the 6.8, when and if Rem offers it commercially, will reinvent the .250 Savage and .257 Roberts but with bullets of less sectional density.

Once when I was in Dennis Olson's shop in Plains, Montana a couple of years ago he showed me a beautiful lightweight sporter he had put together in 6.8X64. He mentioned that the case was similar to the 6.5X64 Brenneke except with a 6.8 bullet. I wondered at the time why it didn't catch on better. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Now that there is a cartridge that uses 6.8 caliber bullets I wouldn't be surprised it might take off. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

You guys are crackin' me up with all this wildcat talk. I bet Jack O'Conner is sitting on a nice cushy cloud, smoking his pipe, and smiling to himself. Then again, maybe not.......he's probably out shooting sheep at 700 yards! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> [color:"blue"] [/color] [color:"black"] [/color]
PJ