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My old stepdad used to tell about how his father had shot a man for stealing chickens. It must have occurred back in the 30's or about that time. The extent of the legal ramificaions are as follows.
Sheriff: What ya shoot him fer?
Harold's dad: He was stealing chickens.
Sheriff: Oh.
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Been better if the holes was in the front.
Proudly representing oil companies, defense contractors, and firearms manufacturers since 1980. Because merchants of death need lawyers, too.
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Been better if he had hung up the phone.
The only thing worse than a liberal is a liberal that thinks they're a conservative.
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Been better if the holes was in the front. Perhaps they said something about coming back with their "homeys".
People who choose to brew up their own storms bitch loudest about the rain.
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If the two morons had not broken into the house with the intent to steal...THEY WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN SHOT. This was a brazen, daylight FELONY act...committed by two illegal alien FELONS...that was confronted by a man with a legal and moral right to stop them.
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Crime is what it is today because it is mostly against the law to protect your property anymore. There was a time you could be shot for trespassing if the property was posted, and property crime was far less prevalent. I am sorry, and I am NOT a vigilante, but criminals should be AFRAID to ply their trade, fear is the only thing that deters them IMHO.
If they are willing to risk the consequences I am more than willing to do my best to see they pay.
Is MY property worth YOUR life? THAT is up to YOU to decide. I would just as soon leave YOU alone as long as YOU leave ME alone. Mr. T Lee sir... Much better put than my effort... Dead center sir...
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Success is found at the intersection of planning, hard work, and stubbornness.
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VAnimrod;
As I said earlier (about a page ago) if they are in my house, they die. Once they leave, its the cops responsibility.
Tracks;
I think you misunderstood what I meant. What I meant was simply that money and property can be replaced. I am much more comfortable with force being used to protect someone from immediate danger such as shooting a burglar inside your own home or who is trying to break in (not afterwards) since you do not know the intent of the person attempting entry, shooting a rapist, etc. To be serious for a moment (rare for me) I think you are either missing of seriously dicounting an important factor..Rage... Sitting comfortable at home discussing the moral aspects of the subject is one thing. Sheer killing rage at having some low life take your valuables is something else. I know my temper and go far out of my way to avoid confrontations but I can see myself doing what Mr. horn did.
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There is nothing wrong with your beliefs. You can live in Texas and be perfectly happy with those ideals. Your neighbors will watch your stuff for you. grin Pat... Soaked baits for 9 hrs Saturday and guess how many hits I got? As many as you did... Zip, zero, nada... Got a mean sunburn too...grin...
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Can't you shoot fleeing felons in some states? You can't in N.C. but, unless I am greatly mistaken, you can in Florida. It sounds as if the Texas laws are set up to give more protection to those who obey the laws than to those who break them.
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It sounds as if the Texas laws are set up to give more protection to those who obey the laws than to those who break them. Another person who gets it...
- Greg
Success is found at the intersection of planning, hard work, and stubbornness.
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I can't agree more with what someone said ... regarding the "value" of money/property that someone is willing to steal from your home, being equal to the value of their life. If all they want is a cookie, then THEY have determined that their life is merely worth a cookie.
The point is, you do NOT break into anyone else's home, for any reason, period. The moment you do, you are putting yourself in harms way. I can't see how that's hard to understand.
And as far as a thief posing an "immediate life threat" or not ... how the hell can you know? It's almost like playing Blackjack - where you have to assume that the 'hole card' the dealer has is valued at a 10 ... Same with someone breaking into your house ... you MUST assume that they are there to steal what they want, and deal with you in any way they see fit to accomplish their task. The fact you may or may not see a weapon, or think that they might not want to harm you, is just asking to have your life ended.
"He who hesitates has lost."
That saying is one I'll never forget, as it applies to just about everything in life ...
-WGM-
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Tracks;
No, I am not discounting rage. Trust me I am familiar with being angry enough to want to personally shoot every last SOB in an area (before anyone freaks about that, it was related to a good buddy -our medic- getting killed during an ambush).
This isn't really going to go anywhere so its probably just best to agree to disagree on this.
Idaho Shooter;
I could have sworn you had posted that the bad guy was coming out of his (Mr. Horn's) window. I reread your posts on this and appearantly I misread what you wrote. Sorry my bad.
Last edited by eschuh; 06/30/08.
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I can agree to that. BTW welcome to the board, we may often disagree here, but mostly are on the same side Have a good evening. 
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Thanks. Anyways, I need to get going...Stupid college classes... I should be doing homework, but I tend to procrastinate on stuff I really don't want to do (in this case Gen Ed Biology).
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eschuh, You mentioned that in your book, someone inside you house would be shot. It is, however, not your book that really counts. It is the laws on the books of the state that count the most.
According to the folks who taught my concealed carry class about a decade ago, N.C. gives the same protection to someone inside your house that it does to someone outside your house or someone on public property. The person who is actively breaking into a house is the easiest one to shoot legally. Make sure he falls halfway in the door. N.C. also has no citizen's arrest. A thug who breaks into your house, kills a family member, and then runs is protected by the law from deadly force.
I think those laws are crazy but know my opinion would count very little if I were hauled into court for blowing away a maggot.
(I am not a lawyer and don't play one on TV.)
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http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/ilcs/ilcs4.asp?DocName=072000050HArt%2E+7&ActID=1876&ChapAct=720%26nbsp%3BILCS%26nbsp%3B5%2F&ChapterID=53&ChapterName=CRIMINAL+OFFENSES&SectionID=60595&SeqStart=7800000&SeqEnd=9300000&ActName=Criminal+Code+of+1961%2E
In Illinois its pretty much as you said (which what I had said back on page two -top of the page). If they are in the house they are fair game, once they leave (if they are not continuing to be an "active threat") shooting them is not wise. In Illinois the key to self defense is that you are acting to prevent immediate serious bodily harm.
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Someone inside your house is not fair game here in N.C. Laws are different in different places. Mr. Horn's actions were judged to be legal in Texas but might not be legal in other states.
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In Colorado, if someone is in your house and you fear for your safety you can punch his ticket.
A recent case a couple of years ago in a nearby town, someone actually killed someone outside his house and the local DA ruled it "close enough"
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Don't steal stuff in Texas...Or you'll get your asss shot off....
Good lesson I think.... I LIKE IT! Here in TAX HELL WISCONSIN the guy would be facing a minimum 25 years... 669 days, 1 hour, 35 minutes...
Ex- USN (SS) '66-'69
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LET'S GO BRANDON!!!
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Nice grouping Grampa!!!
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