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Again I don't think safariman did this purposely. He acted in good faith and that on the other end their was problems he was unaware of. It is rediculous to think he would spend that much time on this site about a hunt just to rip a couple of guys off and in the course of doing that trash his reputation. I am sure if he was able to see into the future he would have canceled that hunt in a minute. I just love those who never make mistakes or errors. I always say it takes one to know one.

He may not have done it on purpose, but he knew about the problem for a year--and did not take concrete steps to address the situation. He got his money, and as far as we know still has it, but the hunters that booked this hunt with him are still without any refund. It smelled a year ago, and it still stinks today.

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Judging by corespondence I'm getting, ZPHGA is still maintaining the postion that all of the NT elephant permits except one were illegal.Not a particularly comfortable position to be in, but worse if you're Schultz.

Thankfully booking agents are a dime a dozen. At times it seems as though everyone whom has made a trip to Africa is looking for a means to return on the cheap, few do it as a sole means of income.
I doubt Mark's return on this particular trip was more than a couple hundred dollars from each client to begin with as he originally set the first trip back in 2007 as a 24HrCampfire group safari at a reduced rate.
That doesn't erase nor excuse not following the best interest of your clients. Had he doubted the operator he should've made the changes in his planning of the group hunt back then. Surely not reused that operator until all bumps were ironed out an defenitely allow clients to make changes in operators even at his cost to cover their butts. Refunding all deposits of clients opting out because of the switch.

I've never made a mistake with a large amount somebody else's money because I don't allow myself to get in that situation. Stuffing up your own hunt is one thing; stuffing up the very expensive hunts of two other people is something else..

Acting in good faith would be to give these two guys a full refund and for him to sort out his own refund with the PH ect behind the scenes..That would also do wonders for his reputation as well...

Acting in good faith would also mean that he would warn his other clients who are going to hunt with the same outfit about this thread and the previous problems..Good faith would also mean giving these clients the option to pullout, switch or carry on, depending what they want...

Any updates?

Well, I'm glad that the poor communications skills by Mark when he tried to sell me this hunt caused me to back away quickly.

Interesting . That makes at least three of us that got the same bad vibes,and backed off.

Make that four!!!!

His silence is deafening! He must have subcontracted to crickets, because that's all I hear right now.

As stated several times before, waiting for more info, and the end of this safari season to have a longer talk with Tim who is pretty maxed out with hunts right now. Got a little more recon this AM. Also as stated before, nothing coming from me until all is known which right now it is not.

Well, what about last years mess? Has there been any resolving of that matter, to the hunters satisfaction or are you still waiting for hunting reports.
I really don't see this going away by no resolve.

Last years 24hrcf hunters all got good to great trophies IIRC, and have recieved their trophies. We had troubles in one of the camps being less than stellar at the outset but this was resolved quickly. One of them re-booked for this years hunt and my nearly all of last years other hunters had great trips, test123 being one of few exceptions. Several from last year have offered to be references for me which, of course, I do not now need. AS stated, more intel coming in. I have a few strings yet to pull for releif and will be doing all I can when the opportunity arises.

I follow the proceedings in Zim, to the extent that I can. This cut and paste of an email I just got may be of particular interest to Mark.

Am on don.heathxxxxxx for two months.

Logged onto 24hr campfire and see that the discussion is still raging. Haven't time or inclination to join another forum, but you could pass on to Mark "safariman" that I notice that Tim is now blaming him- since the only complaints have come from clients he booked!

You are free to attibute that statement to me on the forum. If mark wants my current contact you can give it to him.

Don Heath

I am not surprised Tim is blaming Mark. Tim can't run a succesful business, so he blames his booking agent for his short comings. Because, I know it was Mark fault we were in the wrong camp last yeat, it was Mark fault the PH was a almost 2 days late. It was Mark fault for the lack of game(even the PH's commented on the lack of game). Shame on Mark!

I know I've aked this before, but can somebody produce pictures of last year's buffalo? I know there was one taken that was injured and hence not of trophy quality, but I'd like to see the stuff from last year's hunts. jorge

Shame on Mark, the PHs he hired, the clients, the camp managers, people who want to be paid, the kids he abandanned when he ran off with his secretary, shame on everybody. It's not his fault you see.I know 6 year-olds with a greater sense of personal responsibility.
Oh well, everything bad that can happen on this hunt has already happened and we lived through it. Schultz' troubles are just beginning.

I'm just curious as to what was resolved, if anything?

What was the update after this hunting season too?

No, nothing was resolved nor do I expect it ever will be.