Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Hunter's Campfire Arguments McCain/Palin need to answer

1. McCain's economic plan has tax cuts for the upper class and large companies and overlooks the middle class.
Supposing this is true--they need to point out that the wealthy people and large companies are those which create the middle class jobs. It is Marxist mentality which punishes those who succeed and profit. When the successful are punished for their profitability they either take jobs overseas or lower the pay scale. Without wealthy upper class employers there are no middle class jobs.

2. We need a timeline to get out of Iraq regardless of results.
Wars are never successfully fought on budget limits and timelines--they are fought and won on principle and achieving results. Suppose our revolutionary fore-fathers had set a timeline and budget on gaining independence....

In reality I think the war on terrorism ought to focus on bombing significant threats rather than occupying foreign soil with ground troops. Let terrorists spend their money building up the armaments and we can blow them up when they reach significant proportions. The primary expense and loss would be their's.

3. Afghanistan should be the focus of the war.
The focus of the war should be where the terrorists' economic resources are--not where the terrorists are displaced. Iraq first Iran next.

4. Bush has done everything wrong, and McCain supports Bush policies, therefore our change in policy will make things better, while McCain will do everything the same as Bush.

With the terrorist issues facing the country a democratic leadership could have us in far worse straits--our enemies knowing they only have to outlast our timetable for engagement.

If the free-market economy can mess up the national economics imagine what a socialist government could do to it when it tries to control the markets.

What else am I missing? How do we get good rebuttals to McCain for the next debate?

p.s. I think its a shame that someone like Palin needs to run with and defend McCain.

I think McCain is only thinking one term and the thought of Palin running has the liberals filling their diapers. As far as Iran goes I'm hoping Israel lights them up before election day but good. If so the Dinner Jacket crowd will likely send the Revolutionary Guard to block the Starit of Hormuz and maybe our guys can drop some steel and try out the new Raptor. [bleep] Iran.
They are the biggest supporter of terrorism in the world. They even screw their own folks over big time.(It's a Muslim thing ya know)

Qtip
Soli Deo Gloria!

I am with you Thunder.

People who believe the stuff you mentioned are either liberals or have bought the liberal lie "hook, line and sinker". Why do we insist this country be governed by a Marxist premise? That is what differential rates of taxation are. They are the exact anti-thesis of equal treatment under the law. Moreover, if you look at who pays taxes in this country, it is the upper middle class and the very wealthy. If memory serves, the top 40% of wager earners pay 90% of all taxes. (or numbers very close to that). The second problem is you could confiscate the entire income stream of the top 2-3% of all wage earners and in addition to completely killing off any future income producing activity by them, you would still only be able to run the government for a few weeks at most. Abraham Lincoln said it best: let not he who is homeless tear down the home of another, but let him labor diligent to build for himself, thereby insuring the security of the property holdings of all (I am paraphrasing). McCain's tax plan strives more for equal treatment under the law. It contains no new tax breaks, but agrees to continue the Bush tax breaks which should be continued if for no other reason than it is simply a crime for the state to confiscate 40% of someone's income at the margin on pain of going to prison.

A timeline to get out of Iraq regardless of results? Geez, these people are fools. We are winning there and they want to quit and head to the locker room when we are on the 10 yard line and about to score. Let us concede for the sake of argument that invading Iraq was the wrong call. No matter how much we want to, leaving now (without securing the country and defeating the terrorists) will not rectify the previous bad decision (assuming, arguendo it was bad). On the contrary, it will make it much, much worse. All that American blood and treasure will have been spilled for absolutely nothing.

They say Afghanistan should be the focus? For some reason I have a feeling that people who are too big of pussies to
continue to fight in Iraq, have no real desire whatsoever to actually fight in Afghanistan. By the way, the terrorists economic resources are not in Afghanistan. But assuming for the sake of analyis they are, why do liberals want to give them the fourth largest oil holdings in the world (Iraq) for hell's sake.

Sorry, I got a little hot reading your post and being reminded of how these people think.


Jordan

I agree with everything you stated. McCain needs to make the point that we either have big private business or big government, but you seldom have both for very long. The best way to help the middle class is not by tax cuts on income they cannot earn, but on providing them with good jobs with bigger profitable businesses. McCain is trying to defend a Republican perspective of business within a Democratic framework. He needs to explain to the public why the Democratic/socialist perspective will never work for a free-market economy.

He also needs to explain that a free market economy must have up and down swings in order to maintain the equilibrium. We need down-turns to weed out some less stable businesses so that the market remains competitive with good businesses. Economic down-turns are essential to keep the businesses at their peak efficiency.

And Healthcare....McCain please explain to the public that no healthcare is free--you either pay through taxes with government mark-up or pay the cost directly.

Politicians sometimes get so caught up in the politics of what they do that they cannot even debate from a good logical perspective. The Republicans should look at these debates as an opportunity to expose the weaknesses of socialism and educate the people again on the dynamics of what has made us the most powerful nation in the world.

Come on McCain and Palin--roll out the big guns!