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Protecting innocent life from predators has to be done too. He needs to be executed.

Jesus is God incarnate. According to scripture, Jesus chose to be under the authority of God the Father. One is not greater than the other. Jesus' prayer in the Garden reflected his humanity...he did not want to suffer what was about to happen to him. However, he prayed to God that His (God the father) will be done and not his (Jesus') own. Everything that Jesus did, in terms of service to God and people, we are to do. Jesus was the perfect and blameless example of how we are to live.

If the fella did indeed kill the girl then I say he should be beat to death with a bible. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />



How many innocent lives would you folks think is a fair trade to spare the life of a convicted killer. Fella kills someone, has tried (apparently before), will try again...spare his life so he can kill more??? Kill him!

Alan,

The law of Moses (by direction of God?) states an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth, plus an earlier post from Genisus. Jesus preachs much more compassion towards his fellow man: such as ye without sin cast the first stone (in relation to the adultress brought before him, in biblical times was a crime punishable by death (although the punishment didn't fit the crime could be the argument here). Do these not contridict each other? I understand to a degree where Christ would say to spare the woman, because the punishment doesn't fit the crime and is not truely an eye for an eye type of crime/punishment. But if by "pardoning" her is his stance against capital punishment, then an eye for an eye type of punishment is a contridiction to his teaching. Is there a place in the Bible where Christ is against execution of a murderer (not a whore or adultress)?

OK ... to paraphrase what is above.

A) If Christ's "pardon" of the adulteress was because he is against all execution ... the Bible has a contridiction between the Old and New Testaments (God's Law vs. Jesus' Law).

B) If Chrst's "pardon" of the adulteress was because in his view the punishment didn't fit the crime (& I'm not getting into that debate). Then the chruch is wrong (no offense to BMT) to oppose captal punishment in the case of murderers, because this does fit the eye for an eye crime/punishment senario.

Its either A or B. Either the Bible contridicts itself (which I read Jesus contridicting God). OR The church has mis-represented the Bible to the masses.

I'm not a theologian ... I'm working on a PhD ... not a ThD. But because of this thread, I will probably get little sleep tonite. (Unless alcohol induced).

Hi George -

I believe there is no contradiction present and I do not see how it is either A or B. Jesus came to save the world, not condemn it. For the world was already condemned. It is imperative to understand that the religious, political leaders of that day wanted to discredit Jesus' claims (at every opportunity) that he was God's Son. Jesus was the largest threat they faced (to their political, religious and social standing). They hated and feared Jesus. Bottom line, they (religious elite) could have cared less about the Mosaic law or what happened to the woman...they wanted to use the law to discredit Christ. Jesus knew this. They (religious elite) whipped the crowd up into a �the law must be obeyed � frenzy. Jesus' response revealed their (religious elite) true motive and it also revealed to the crowd (we can insert ourselves here) that the law exposes our sin (pick any flavor). We are all sinners. If that is believed, then we believe we are in need of a savior. The law can't save us. The law condemns us. The religious elite used the law for their own personal gain and advantage. Jesus used the law to expose their hypocrisy and reveal their own condemnation while at the same time opening the eyes, hearts and motives of the crowd.

OK this is the way i think this bastard should be dealt with, first of nix all the common ways of capital punishment obviously these ways are not getting the message across that murder is not acceptable. What I purpose is this , take the bastard up in a helicopter with a length of rope that is 1000' long you tie one end to the helicopter and tie the other end around his balls, take the helicopter up to 10,000' and give him a shove. One thousand feet of free fall should give him plenty of time to think of what is going to happen when he comes to the end of his rope the other nine thousand feet should give him plenty of time to regret what he has done and maybe get a prayer or two in before he hits.Also drop him over a gator swap---no cleanup <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

On the other hand make it clear to him if he confesses right away you will save him the helicopter ride and take him out back and put a bullet in his head.Nice and simple.

Boondock

Justice...

If one person kills another person for no other reason than some sick perverse self gratifcation then they should be prepared to forfiet their life as payment to society for this injustice. PERIOD!!!

Why should society have the financial burden of housing, feeding, clothing this miscreatin for a moment longer than they have to.

For anyone who thinks that capital punishment is not a deterrant for repeating serious injustices on society's members, can they please explain to me how the capitaly punished criminal can ever repeat offend again?

Over and over again I hear that these miscreatins have greaviously offended society many previous times before and have gotten off either through loopholes, ridiculous interpretations of the law or "they had a bad childhood" therefore they should be given another chance. NO!!!

I look at capital punishment as a matter of Self-Defense of society, niether as killing nor as murder. We as a society should have the same right as an individual to self preservation and safety.

From my personal experiences; a jerk is a jerk no matter what the upbringing or background, social status or whatever criteria you want to consider.

I fully support a cumulative justice system that eventually ends with capital punishment. i.e. if a jerk shop lifts and gets caught enough times (for example 100 convictions) the person has proven that they can not function in society and society should not have to bear the burden of continually protecting itself from these jerks.

Harsh? Maybe...

Fair? Definitely!!!

Unfortunately Canada doesn't have capital punishment for anything anymore.

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An eye for an eye, a life for a life...seems fair doesn't it?????

How 'bout we debate the Bible WHILE we fry this SOB as well as the liberal puke judge who allowed this career criminal/drug addict to break probation again and again.

O'Reilly is doing a piece on this bastard tonite & I had to get away from the TV when I saw the absolutely absurd chain of events that killed this little girl.

This is an election year folks & if you don't think it's an important one imagine a few more liberal judges out there to coddle these wastes of humanity & keep them on the streets.

These judges need to be accountable for what they do & I'd sure like to see a meeting between the parents of the girl & this criminal coddling POS judge... Had to vent, Bruce

wow my brain hurts. I thought i was in sunday school again. from a more agnostic point of view. the idea should be to throw him out of the gene pool. Because anybody that will kill an 11 year old child is obviously defective. IMHO i heard on fox that this ANIMAL has two little girls of his own. I feel for them ,as much as the victims family. but there is hope for them. In short should this defective A hole die. yes should i throw the switch. no <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" />

The Law "an eye for an eye" was a limitation on punishment.



I believe if you read it in context it means the punishment should be fit and just for the crime. Not excessive. As in "don't take an eye as punishment for the loss of a tooth".



My opinion of this evil bastard is that the death penalty is just and fit for the crime he commited.

Having two grandaughters of my own ages 11 and 13 I can only cry for the family of this little girl, My final wish on earth would be give me time in a locked cell with this inhuman and I would show him what it means to be skinned alive Apache style may God forgive me for my feelings but I pray for this chance. ART99990

If he is found guilty,......I say let's just send him to prison, in open population w/ the the real hard cores. Many of them have daughters, sisters, nieces, that they care for very much. I believe they could come up with a more fitting and creative solution than we can. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" /> ......joken2

Are you saying that we as a society don't value human life enough to protect it by taking the life of a peverted murder of innocent children?

To not knock the convicted SOB upside the head with a ballpeen hammer until dead,condones his conduct.

You cain't "fix" his malfunction,so you dig a ditch and hammer the sumbitch.

None of it difficult and a stern message submitted to others,who are perhaps inclined to malice,just might think twice.

Hammers is cheap.........................

Stick, I think the KGB might have a few tricks to teach this lowlife which would be more creative. No doubt about it, if you can't live within societies rules, you have no reason to be here. He needs to be rehabilitated right into a dirt nap.

Stick, Im with ya. and good thing about hammers is that they are reusable. I think guys like this hunk of sub-human refuse need to be punished and not just cared for endlessly. Once convicted they need to know the end is near but not know just when....The Russians got it right. Just make this puke work his guts out out bustin big rocks into little ones or some such thing then one day as he is lounging about dreaming of his conquest of that poor child Big Bubba the states own ternmanator strolls up to this clown hammer in hand and pops him on top of the gord a couple times, once he is dead feed him to the hogs and gators. Put the hammer away and save it for the next creep.
I am usually not the violent type but I think the event should be at least live on Pay-Per-View. I would pay say .....$19.95

I have an insight that most of you will never have. I have sat on a jury for a murder trial, I also have a former friend whois on death row for murdering two women, Seperate cases, my best friend is a LEO and another good friend's dad was a Prosecuting attourney. Lot's of points of view have come my way over the years and it took me a long time to become a supporter of the death penalty. Now I just say "Hang-Em-High"

Bullwnkl.

I heard that scumbag has been in a lot of trouble before 12 times. He is a perfect example of why we have 3 strikes and your out in Calif. If you commit 3 felonies you go away for the rest of your life.

Actually, I think that 3 times is 2 too many for child molesters, rapists and murders.

Conrad

Put him loose in Tampa stadium, put me in the stands with my 17HMR and go away. Hope it takes me SEVREAL boxes afore I can leave knowing he won't!

George - I forgot to state an important point regarding your A or B deductive reasoning arguement. All 66 chapters of the Bible can be summed up in one verse: Romans 6:23 "For the wages of sin is death but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord". Jesus, being fully man AND fully God was in a position to condemn the adulterous woman. Sin means death (everyone experiences a physical death, only those who have accepted Christ will be spared a spiritual death) ...God says so...no way to sugar coat it. Jesus, being the gift of eternal life, told the woman, who after opening her eyes and seeing that the crowd had left, that since none of her accusers were there to condemn her that neither would he and that she was to go and sin no more (Jesus being the only judge in this equation). This is a beautiful example depicting the grace, love and compassion of God who desires that NONE should parish.