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J.O.
You are an Internet Legend, no doubt......
It's absolutely hilarious that you attempt to elevate yourself to the level of Barsness and Hack with your "knowlegeable" recitations on the bullet.
Maybe if you actually killed something, with one.......
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Look up "Olan Mills Awesomeness"; you'll find lots of family there.....and your portrait(s) (g) I just did, and have to say that it's the best thing about this thread so far.
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This is a funny string.
I use TSX due to the bullets nature to hold together and save meat. Look at the first post and that's exactly what it did.
Now if I want to drop them on the spot I shot at a location they'll drop immediately vs. a lung shot.
Ah if I could only have my cake and eat it too.
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I find these discussions interesting. But I must conclude that anyone attempting to prove "their choice" is "best" is about as fruitless as saying which flavor of ice cream is "best". On a hot summer day, most of them are fine.
What I do find distasteful is when members lower themselves to personal attacks against the people which disagree with "their" conclusions. This does nothing to support their position and detracts from the purpose of these discussions.
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I believe the point I was making, that obviously escaped you, is that if someone kinda sorta knew ahead of time they didn't like a certain bullet, then why shoot something dead with one anyway and then start a war about it (likely the purpose of this "discussion")...
That, and the fact that J.O. don't know crap.
Love the Holier Than Thou approach though, quite becoming........
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Gone Huntin, you are correct when you say personal attacks have no place in these discussions. Just because you don't agree with a mans opinions, you don't need to bum rap his inteligence or motive.
I personally enjoy these TTSX discussions. It almost duplicates why some guys love Blondes, some Redheads, and some Brunettes. I have yet to sort out why the bullet has such a varying degree of loyalty. It seems as if people love them or hate them. No in-between.
Another point that isn't discussed extensively is the Quality Control aspect of the TTSX or for that matter any bullet. Could it be that the consistency of the bullet in the manufacturing process is not as good as we would like to believe? Could that account for the differnt results that are experienced by different people using the same exact bullet? Another theoretical aspect is what would happen to the bullet if it was possible to shoot it at the same animal, in precisely the same spot with precisely the same loads at precisely the same distance multiple times. Can't happen, but I would guess that the manufacturers strive for that kind of consistency in their tests.
I'm going to give the TTSX a try next week. this will be interesting to me if I shoot a deer.
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For the deer hunting that I do, I just don't see the need for the penetration qualities of the TSX. If the velocities were higher or the game bigger, they might be an option. Guess that opinion lowers my IQ in the view of some....oh well.
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It's not really a response to any particular post so much as a thought that came based on reading several of the more recent, but, while making "soup" or simply blowing a large hole through the lungs might make one feel more "comfortable" after the animal is lying dead at your feet, it can be equally effective simply to let air into the ribcage, collapse the lungs, and suffocate, rather than drown, the animal. And that is what essentially happens many times. For that, two clean holes is always better than one regardless who your bullet maker was. And that, in spite of frequent blood loss from the lungs, is often what happens in an animal.
Sometimes, the air you 'let in'matters less than the air you 'let out'.
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I don't see the problem.
This reminds me of the guy who was bugging me at the range awhile back. This guy sat there and explained to me that I want to 'blow my bullet up' inside of every animal, and never want a bullet to exit, so I don't waste any energy. Damn F&Ser.
Not comparing anyone here to him; Just relating a story.
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For the deer hunting that I do, I just don't see the need for the penetration qualities of the TSX. If the velocities were higher or the game bigger, they might be an option. Guess that opinion lowers my IQ in the view of some....oh well. Southtexas, I'm with you 100% on that one. Problem is, if you say it out loud on a TSX thread, pro OR con, guys come out of the woodwork and call you an idiot. Then you have to defend WHY you would make that choice (because bullets are tradeoffs, essentially, and you are choosing different ones) and, well, away it goes. <grin> My hat is off to BWalker for having the balls to start this thread, even knowing he would get clobbered. Now guys are flat out accusing him of lying. Nice. . . . . Wildswanker, that you try to type like Big Stick, is beyond refute. That your lines of wit, don't have any of that particular grey substance behind them, is apparant to all. Your inability to participate politely, is duly noted by all present, though your reputation preceded you in this regard. That you are pointing a rifle at your kids head, or DAMN close to it, in your avatar, and that ain't right is also duly noted. (and that's about all the mis-used commas I can do in one setting <g>)
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SpencerSS, personally, I do want my bullet to blow up inside the critter. However I'd like an exit too. Partitions and Accubonds, among others, are pretty good that way...
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Noted, that you are a laughing stock among the ranks who have BT/DT...
Occasionally someone points that out to you, and has yet to sink in, no doubt.
You are a sharper tool though, than you were a year ago, credit delt where credit's due.....
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Jeff, perhaps you can point out where the wound is in the lungs from the picture posted.
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Wildswanker, unless you are a professional logger, I bet I've spent more time in the woods and wild than you have in this life. In your arrogance you seem to think that people just popped into existence when they joined this forum... on top of that I'm just flat out smarter than you, so there! <grin>
JWP, didn't BWalker do a pretty good job of explaining where the wound is? I don't feel like paging back. Seems like it was visible. Guys were commenting on how it looked like at least two blades of the TSX had opened up, etc.
Hey... JWP... took some TSX's out doe hunting just now. Didn't see anything. I'll try again later.
-jeff
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Jeff, show me the wound in the lungs. Show me any indication that the lungs were hit at all.
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If you look close just to the right of the cartridges neck you can see the hematoma of the exit side lung. The entrance was a bit more minced up, but the wound was maybe 3 inches square vs nearly total destruction with a cup and core.
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Are your trying to pass that off as a hit?
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The diaphragm connects near the end of the full length ribs, the hole in the ribcage appears pretty much midway, be it entry or exit the bullet passed in front on the diaphragm.
Looks to me there is internal lung hemorrhaging on the far right and definitely on the far left near the snow. Just to the left of the bullet tip is bullet shot tissue.
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This thread is as DEAD as this: And what is this all about anyways??? Was this horse shot with a TSX? Why shoot horses anyways? Why would horses die if we banned hunting? Why ban hunting anyways? Some say, that there may be possible evidence that banning lead bullets will prevent CWD and be good for the environment...
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