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I am starting to look for a couple of hunters going to Africa plains game hunting with .45-70 Marlins to test some of my new ammo. This load is intended for use on game up to eland (1500lbs). The ammo is completely weather proof, temperature insensitive and is pressure tested by Hodgdon. The bullet will be a controlled expantion 380 grain jfp. All of the testing should be done by the end of April. If you are interested send me a pm and I will get with you on the details. If you have already field tested some of my other loads please feel free to contact me on this one also. I will pick from the responses. Right now I think 2 hunters will be enough. This ammo will be sent completely free of charge. reflex264

You do realize that the 45-70, although one of my favorites, is illigel to use in Africa as it simply does not meet the requirements of the law. It is the equivelent of using a 22 to hunt deer here.

Stetson, perhaps you should engage your brain before typing. The 45-70 is not illegal for hunting Africa. It is probably legal in all countries for plains game, which is the application reflex264 is proposing. It is restricted from use on dangerous game in some countries.

I think you are mistaken on that. Issue #40 of Black Powder Cartridge News has an excellent story by Dick Swanson of his hunt in South Africa using his 40-70 Sharps. He shot Waterbuck, Gemsbok, Blesbok and Impala with a 425gr. bullet out of that ole Sharps. The PH was really impressed with that old gun.

Perhaps you should try to use some self restraint and tact before you let your fingers fly ! The 45-70 is NOT legal to use in Africa on DG . Period. It neither meets the MV or energy requirments of the law. You can debate it all you like but it will NOT change the law. The ONLY exception is in HIGH FENCED canned hunting concessions. I do not see at all that their is any reference to plains game. Their is no need to take any 45-70 load to Africa to test it on plains game. Any factory load that is suitable for the task will do .

You continue to display your ignorance. I never said the 45-70 was legal for dangerous game, if you read what I said. You are the one that said the 45-70 was illegal for use in Africa, period. That is patently false. It is perfectly legal to use for non-dangerous game species. I think that Tanzanian law only requires a bore size of .375" or larger for dangerous game with no mention of minimum energy.



Am I correct in assuming that you are suggesting that 300 grain hollow point factory 45-70 ammo is appropriate for all plains game? I think the eland, zebra, wildebeest and gemsbok deserve better than that.

I sir do not know what ails you nor do I really care to. I failed to type in ----DG----- In my first post. You seem to have some bone to pick with me so why not act like a man and take this feud to PM ? I have no idea what this is about but I will not turn this into a flame war with some one who only wants to argue about the most trivial of errors. Call me ignorant. Yip Yap Yup what ever....Do your worst !

Hey, I see a statement I don't agree with I'm going to point it out. I'll expect the same. I apologize if I ruffled some feathers. I'll try to keep the edge a little dulled next time. OK?



Do you still think any 45-70 factory ammo is good for all African plains game? Your error in judgement is not trivial for the potentially wounded eland, zebra, wildebeest or gemsbok involved.

I have no problem with some one pointing out my errors. You might just have a field day if you follow me around fish boy. I am often guilty of a typo here and there.

Would you like to comment on the use of any 45-70 factory ammo for African plains game?

Personally I would never take a 45-70 to Africa but that's just me. No doubt it will work. Spears and other primitive weapons have sufficed for centuries so I see little to prove. I am sure you already know that cast bullets will offer better penetration. I prefer the LBT variants by Buffalo Bore as they have worked well for me in all calibers. I do not see why any one in their right mind would take experimental ammo that is unproven on a hunt. Certainly no one I hunt with would be that foolish. Ammo testing works well on ballistic gel. Of course if you like a lot of BS and publicity stunts you will no doubt be a fan or the garret ammo and vince Luppo's misadventures <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" />

Thanks for not answering my question. I don't like a lot of BS so I guess I was right about you from the beginning.



This is not what was originally written.

Well there you have it. Perhaps you will find some one else more accomadating. I heard on tonights news that Bovine methane is destroying the atmosphere. That my ammo challenged friend is a LOT of BS <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> If you open your eyes you will see that I did answer your question. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />





HEY, your last post is NOT what was origionally written either. In fact we have both done a LOT of edeting. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" /> Y

You certainly are not tangentially challenged.

Well indeed I am still trying to "engage my ignorant " brain <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> I am sure you have never ever mistepped before <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" />

Well said, you think!

Me thinks JackFish won the first 6 rounds. It had better be at least a 12 round fight to at least have a draw.

Dave

I'd just like to hear what reflex264 has to say.

I suppose old WackyJacky could get out his handy dandy dictionary and right a whole book for us like he did on the 45-70 +P strand. It still wont help the swelling in his hind end to go down. I'm afraid that its in a bit of a pucker after getting bent over to the realization that if you hunt DG with the mighty 45-70 in Africa you are little more than a poacher or a big bad canned hunter <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" />

Wow! I can see this next round is gonna be tough <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />.