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Here is picture of RMC 3.5" cases with variety of slugs, locked on wad slugs and sabots. There are 3 of our long cases in back for comparison. The RMC turned cases have shotgun primer. Case # 4 has 437gr slug in BPI SABOT( finally hard sabots in 12ga for reloading), #5 437gr Brenekke KO slug, #6 540gr Hammerhead slug, #7 600gr Dixie hard slug, #8 RG's 715gr jacketed, #9 750gr solid brass. Ed
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Here is picture of a 12ga hard discarding sabot you can get for reloading, the BPI. From Ballistic products. In picture is sabot with a 437gr Hornady Great Plains 50cal slug I put in it. Also the 410 gr and 385gr Great Plains work. Finally able to load your own instead of paying 3-5 bucks each for loaded rounds.You can use the 500 S&W bullets also as well as shorter 50 cal blackpowder slugs... Ed
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Been testing the Encore with the Nef loads. Barrel breech is one inch same as muzzle, where the NEF is 1.200". It has dovetails cut out in bottom of the barrel for the nuts for the forearm screws. ... At the bottom of dove tail there is only .060" thickness. Before reaming had back one fill welded as it was where the taper for the forcing cone ended up with 3.5" chamber. I load it with 10 gr less powder than the NEF on all different slugs and weights. Like the BPI sabot in 3.5" plastic in NEF, 437 gr slug, 120gr 4227, 2400 fps, and in Encore 110gr 4227, 2270 fps. In 3.5" RMC brass case, same sabot/slug in NEF 140gr 4227, 2600+ fps,Encore 130gr 4227, 2500. The Encore is now 12 lbs, with hollow in butt and recesses in forearm with lead shot.In pic you see NEF And Encore with RMC brass cases started in chambers. Ed
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See what's possible, original Savage 210 action/stock the one I have our long case in. You can lengthen magazine in the plastic stock for up to 3.5" RMC brass cases, also 3.5" plastic cases. And you can open up bottom of the action to match, and the other things I did on the port, bolt travel, etc to feed cases. I did mine with heavy wood stock in singleshot. Using original plastic stock you weight the hollow butt. Trigger assembly on these is back to leave space for this. In picture you see stock original and stock mag longer. Second picture is a 3.5" brass case and slug overall length 3.7", in longer magazine. Brett in MN, who did this first used the regular follower and mag spring ok, it feeds ok for him. .. Ed
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Info to help loading BPI sabots in plastic,ok to use plastic overwad over powder, but should use cardboard card and nitro wads above that below the BPI sabot. Sabot doesn't tear up and accuracy much better. Personally I use cards over powder and nitro wads, And with used cases roll crimping onto the thin edge of sabot is uneven, so with my used cases I set the sabot and slug to right height and just redo the 6 point star crimp real hard, and the middle of all the crimp sectors set right on the flat nose of the slug in the sabot. I also do the same with RG's 715gr hollowpoint with the crimp sectors right on the hollowpoint in used cases. Roll crimping holds RG's slug in ok but its taper of the ogive and smoothness it doesn't open crimp all the way around when fired. The star crimp set slug at same height so you can get the same amount of powder. With RMC brass these are not problems but with brass to get good feeding from mag rounding front edge of mouth helps. Sectioned picture of RMC on right next to our long original case to show how well it is built thick and strong. One of cases has 20 firings, still good..Ed
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What others are doing hopping up loads and experimenting. Brett in MN uses a Mossy 835 12ga smoothbore turkey gun, but it is backbored 10ga size all the way out to end and has 10ga size choke, and he uses 12ga AQ 441gr slug with locked on basewad, from BPI. Using top rib bead sight only he can hit a pail 5 times in a row at 70 yds.Amazing accuracy for overbored barrel. He uses BPI X12X seal plastic wad, two 1/4" white felt wads, thin card then the AQ slug, with 65gr of Longshot getting 2200 fps. 3.5" new cases with roll crimp.......I asked him check it with a scope on it sometime. NFG from Greybeard and Shotgunworld with pump Mossy and 18.5" with slug barrel. He gets a 525gr Lyman over 1800 fps with 80gr of 4759/4227 powder. Hard alloy mix Lyman and shot one through 17" of pine. Shown in the pic below it mushroomed to .800" and only lost 8gr weight. It is a wasp waisted slug that is shot from a 12ga regular WW12 shotcup. The skirt of the slug collapsed into the underside of the nose. Many guys say that these are as accurate as most other stuff used. He used 3" plastic, PGS wad over powder and WW12 wadcup with slug it. He cuts wadcup petals back to length of the Lyman.In pic on left you see the Lymans with hollowbase up and the shape of it when starting out. Ok I am going to get Lymans to test and Longshot to test. Got to see if the Longshot will get further up in velocity than Blue Dot. Ed
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Here is a Savage 210 with bottom of action opened up toward the back, to take cases with 3.5" overall length. Slug Warrior on Shotgun World did it. Is similiar job the Brett in MN did, but he made his opening 3.7". I measured mine and they can be opened to 3.95". They also milled the rim guides back for controlling case feeding on longer cases. Ed
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Here is information and reason for keeping and milling the rim guides back for controlling case feeding on longer cases.Rim guides are angled in from the sides of the opening toward back. As the bolt pushes top case in the mag forward the back of case and rim comes to where the tapers widen out so the case then slides up in front of the bolt.I'm fixing up my 2nd Savage I have set up for my second 700H 3.25" belted case. Just to see how it will work and along with other guys doing it, get the info out to people. This work on the stock/action can be done in a vertical mill or good drill press. To use 3.5" plastic the opening on the action and magazine needs 3.25", for 2.875"" brass long loaded 3.5", if 3.5" brass about 3.7", if 3.5" brass long loaded, 3.95". By long loaded I mean a slug like the Dixie 600gr that protrudes up to .4".The 730 gr flat wide nose slug protrudes 1/8". You also have to widen and smooth the ramp going into the front bridge so case lifts smoothly on the way into chamber.Ed
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We get asked about putting brakes on the NEF Ultra. There is the concept called the internal brake that works nearly as good as expansion brake, with less back noise. Rob on AR did a couple with bunch of holes in the barrel in the end with the last 1.5" bored out .025" where holes go. Also many want more velocity in NEf and I added on a barrel section to mine. Combining Ideas we add smooth 9" section of bore extension, that is same as groove diameter and 1.5" end of that for internal brake. Eight 1/8" holes top and same 45 degees to each side.And we have over a 100 fps in velocity gain. And with card or wad behind load it will seal pressure going from rifled section to smooth. And these types of holes won't bother wads or sabots. My extension is a foot longer and gets 150 fps extra. No need for brake in mine as the gun is 17 lbs with extra bbl. Here is Rob's two he fixed up, and is shooting.He has them reamed out longer for long 3.85" case, weight added.Ed
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Here is a picture of porting holes in a 10ga NEF heavy long smooth barrel. Bbl 30" and 1.080" muzzle diameter behind the screw in choke area. This come with slightly extended screw in choke and is first 10ga with long barrel as heavy as my NEF 12ga FH short barrel was.. OR the short NEF 10 gauges with heavy barrel..It came with full and mod chokes. The other 10ga I tested earlier, only .960" at muzzle. I cut choke off and put it back in leaving the barrel an open bore for slugs and leaving an area 1.2" long for an internal brake to drill all the holes in like Rob did with NEFs in his picture. Now the 1.2" long area where holes are is bigger than needed for 10 ga so a reamer in the making will solve that and solve a major big bore project for me and others who asked me about using the short NEF 10ga for upgrade, which I didn't encourage putting all that work on a short barrel gun, with the amounts of powder that will be burnt in....are you ready.......THE 8GA FH....... I have 8ga FH loads tested in reworked Enfield.....Ed
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More info on the heavy barreled gun we plan on making 8 gauge from. Nef SB2 103, 30" barrel, regular stock. 220 bucks. 100 bucks for shop to ream out to 8 ga smoothbore. Needs the 80 dollar thumbhole stock. Nice deal for a modern 8ga, using heavy duty plastic 3.3" long cases. I fired 6-8000 ft lb loads in one I made on Enfield, 4 times reloaded without resizing cases. Here is other project suggested by Boomie on the AR big bore forum, the 16GA FH. Cases made by me from bmg brass. Took 5 swagings, and two turnings on my case spinner lathe.Two Annealings Got couple cases made, in picture our 3.5" case and factory 16ga plastic case slug load. I'm getting test gun working now and as for a supply of cases you all will have to get with RMC if you want to rechamber a 16ga..Ed
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Here is picture of my NEF 12GA FH as it is now, A while back I got tired of short barrel and added a foot on to it. Used breech end of left over Savage and a sleeve. Lined up rifling and it has same twist and number of rifling. Hard way to do it. No need for rifling, or extra line up work. Run many loads and it adds 150 fps with VV110, 4759, and 4227 powders. Adds about a 100 with Blue Dot, and HS 7. Next one will be done different and easier. Next one will be a smoothbore add on piece of groove diameter, 10-12 inches long, make it one piece, 1 or 1 1/16" threads,about 1.2" diameter. Threaded 1.5" long on original barrel, and into add on piece, and will look like a brake and you could put in internal brake in the end.Ed
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Here is picture Stevens Revelation 350 16ga now a 16GA FH. It got a 385 gr to 2000, which is good for gun without a real heavy barrel. I lengthened chamber for the 3.5" brass cases pictured that I made from BMG brass. Anyone doing this can have cases made by RMC. Gun is weighted to 11 lbs. Action can handle more if barrel heavier. Ed
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Here is picture of the bolt for my big gun, the 700HE. It is holding a 700HE long case. The caseholder extraction system can headspace a BMG rimless case,no belt, so you could put on a 12ga barrel, straighten case more, from .700 to .729" and have the rimless 12ga. Could straighten case for a .750" bore, even to 10ga(.775") with a little thinning of the top one inch of the case. Experimenting is interesting to say the least. 700 slugs in pic are 1000gr Woodleigh, 1000gr PA, 825gr Copperhead Custom(CC), 770gr FP CC, 1000gr HP CC, 825gr HP CC..Ed
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There is a new heavy barreled rifled slug gun out, the Rossi Model S12 1230S. It will handle our heavier loads like the NEF. And it can have chamber lengthened for 3.5" plastic and RMC brass 12ga cases. Ed
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How much do they run price wise? And, who does the work of boring them to 3.5" chambers?
I assume you only need to ship the barrel for the re-chambering.
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They are about 180 bucks, and any smith with 12ga 3.5" reamer can do it, or if you have reamer and some experience using reamers you can do it. Don't have to go to the bother of dealing with factory, which isn't in US anyway. The reason I know the gun can be chambered longer is that Rossi barrel is built like NEF slug barrel and also Rossi makes a turkey/goose gun for magnum loads in 3.5" that has a thinner barrel than this slug gun.Ed
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The BPI sabot is tending toward small diameter. With a .512" slug it measures . 727"---So I run one into die and reduced it .020". It is lead, swaged easy. Shot a BPI sabot with 385gr Great plains slug in 700HE great big gun pictured above. That Great plains slug was reduced .020". With 300gr of super fast ball powder blend in 3.85" case got over 4500.
Using slugs with locked on bases and RG's hollowbase jacketed slug in 3.5" RMC brass cases in the 1887 Win levergun. RG's 670 gr HB- 2500 . Brenekke KO 435gr- 2700, Lightfield 460 gr- 2600 . Even got a 385gr in BPI sabot to target straight.Levergun has 34" smooth barrel and with chamber for 3.5" long cases it is run as singleshot. Barrel is a tight smoothbore going from .726" to .722". Took out lifter and other stuff and put in a bottom style extractor I built that is operated by the lever at bottom of opening stroke. Then take cases out with fingers, thus able to handle long cases in a short action.Makes a real old timey, neat looking, single shot blaster.Ed
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Ed Hubel you are a wildman.
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