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Roger that, interesting.
Thanks.
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This load data is from the RL web site for RL 17
300 WSM 180 gr BTSP Fed Fed 215 2.800 66.0 3082
300 WM 180 gr BTSP Fed Fed 215 3.340 70.5 3074
Don't you find it interesting that the 300 WSM list a higher speed than the 300 Win Mag yet uses 4.5 grains less powder. Has not Winchester been saying that all along and yet people pooh pooh it. I see this with other loads as well. Does cartridge design matter?
I am one grain less than what is listed and have a 2.980 COAL. I'm also shooting a 185.
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This stuff(pressure) is way over my head SU35.
Pretty cool seeing what you guys are getting speed-wise though.
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Whooeee!
Looks like he is using VV550. I shot some 150's with that stuff and I think they went 3250fps(the fastest velocity I've gotten with my WSM).
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YUPPER..I'm still trying to figure out how he's doing it without blowing every primer. I guess the action is so strong and the chamber so good that the brass is simply like a "chamber lining" but I still can't figure how primers are staying put.
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Beats me, it really would be interesting to know his case life.
Hell, I'm curious to hear what the R17 guys are gonna get for case life.
For the time being I'm content with luke warm H4350 charges...grin
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I was out today with my 7MM Saum & 300 Saum here are the results. These are with Ruger rifles and 22 inch barrels
7MM Saum 160 Sierra Game King Federal 215 Primer 54.5 Grain 2955 & 2920 FPS
55.5 Grain 2955, 2965, & 2957 FPS
56.5 Grain 3oo5, 3011 & 3008 these grouped right at a inch.
300 Saum 180 Hornady SPire Pt Federal 215 Primer
61.5 Gain 2960, 2955 & 2952 thee shot into .78 inch
62.o Grain 2984, 2977, & 2968
62.5 Grain 2984, 2977, & 2988
63.0 Grain 3022, 3014, & 3017
The 61.5 grain load shot the best group in the 300 and exceeds the 2900 fps that I was looking for. If this will shoot the 180 grand slams anywhere near this it will be my elk load if not I may go with the Hornadys.
The 7MM Saum load of 56.5 grains matches a load I had with H1000 but without compressing the powder.
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Your .300 saum is haulin ass!
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I haven't read this thread from start to here, but is there loading data available anywhere for R17 and with it pressure data as well?
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or, anyone working RL17 magic on the 300 Win Mag - the other white meat?
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Mark
These loads are listed on the alliant site but they do not give pressures.
I have not shot any factory loads in my rifles but have helped scope and sight in 3 different WSM 2 300 and 1 7MM with factory ammo and they all showed more pressure sign than what I an seeing with RL17.
I have some flatness on the primer edges with the max loads but no extractor marks and no sticky bolts, still pressure data would be helpful, maybe on some of the new manuals from bullet companies soon.
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I was out today with my 7MM Saum & 300 Saum here are the results. These are with Ruger rifles and 22 inch barrels
7MM Saum 160 Sierra Game King Federal 215 Primer 54.5 Grain 2955 & 2920 FPS
55.5 Grain 2955, 2965, & 2957 FPS
56.5 Grain 3oo5, 3011 & 3008 these grouped right at a inch.
300 Saum 180 Hornady SPire Pt Federal 215 Primer
61.5 Gain 2960, 2955 & 2952 thee shot into .78 inch
62.o Grain 2984, 2977, & 2968
62.5 Grain 2984, 2977, & 2988
63.0 Grain 3022, 3014, & 3017
The 61.5 grain load shot the best group in the 300 and exceeds the 2900 fps that I was looking for. If this will shoot the 180 grand slams anywhere near this it will be my elk load if not I may go with the Hornadys.
The 7MM Saum load of 56.5 grains matches a load I had with H1000 but without compressing the powder. Nice numbers, your results are pretty consistant with mine. I seamed to gain more with the .300 Saum than I did with the 7mm Saum. Did you notice this with your rifles?
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Data from the manufacturer.
Reloder� 17 was created with new technology to provide velocity greater than the competition in the most popular standard rifle calibers and the new short magnums. Following are recipes developed in our Ballistics Laboratory (all loads used Speer bullets and list the correct Overall Length- DO NOT SEAT THE BULLETS TO A LESS OVERALL LENGTH). These recipes are maximum loads and shall not be exceeded.
LOAD DATA RECIPES FOR RELODER� 17
Caliber Bullet Case Primer COAL Chg Wgt Velocity 223 WSM 55 gr SP Fed Fed 210 2.210 46.6 3865 243 Win 80 gr SP Fed Fed 210 2.615 44.0 3362 243 Win 85 gr HP Fed Fed 210 2.625 43.7 3316 243 Win 100 gr BTSP Fed Fed 210 2.625 40.8 3044 243 WSM 70 gr HP Fed Fed 210 2.185 49.0C 3745 243 WSM 80 gr SP Fed Fed 210 2.255 44.5 3512 243 WSM 85 gr BTSP Fed Fed 210 2.255 45.5 3452 243 WSM 100 gr BTSP Fed Fed 210 2.290 41.0 3128
6mm Rem 70 gr HP Fed Fed 210 2.775 48.5C 3682 6mm Rem 80 gr SP Fed Fed 210 2.775 46.7 3500 6mm Rem 85 gr BTSP Fed Fed 210 2.775 46.0 3441 6mm Rem 100 gr BTSP Fed Fed 210 2.800 44.0 3163
25-06 87 gr SP Fed Fed 210 3.115 54.5 3547 25-06 120 gr BTSP Fed Fed 210 3.200 48.5 3012
6.5x55(mil) 90 gr HP Fed Fed 210 2.850 48.53223 6.5x55(mil) 120 gr SP Fed Fed 210 3.000 41.52741
260 Rem 120 gr SP Fed Fed 210 2.720 44.0 2912 260 Rem 140 gr SP Fed Fed 210 2.745 41.0 2645
270 WSM 100 gr HP Fed Fed 215 2.730 67.5 3668 270 WSM 130 gr BTSP Fed Fed 215 2.700 62.0 3258 270 WSM 150 gr BTSP Fed Fed 215 2.700 60.0 3041
270 Win 100 gr HP Fed Fed 210 3.100 59.0 3554 270 Win 130 gr BTSP Fed Fed 210 3.200 54.0 3136 270 Win 150 gr BTSP Fed Fed 210 3.200 51.5 2921
280 Rem 110 gr HP Fed Fed 210 3.200 59.5 3397 280 Rem 130 gr BTSP Fed Fed 210 3.205 56.0 3167 280 Rem 145 gr BTSP Fed Fed 210 3.180 53.0 2968 280 Rem 160 gr BTSP Fed Fed 210 3.200 51.5 2825 280 Rem 175 gr GS Fed Fed 210 3.265 50.5 2674
7 WSM 110 gr HP Win Fed 215 2.770 69.5 3588 7 WSM 130 gr BTSP Win Fed 215 2.775 66.5 3356 7 WSM 145 gr BTSP Win Fed 215 2.760 63.5 3166 7 WSM 160 gr BTSP Win Fed 215 2.820 60.0 2964
7 mm-08 110 gr HP Fed Fed 210 2.760 50.5C 3169 7 mm-08 115 gr HP Fed Fed 210 2.655 49.5C 3107 7 mm-08 130 gr BTSP Fed Fed 210 2.730 48.5C 3007 7 mm-08 145 gr BTSP Fed Fed 210 2.730 46.0 2819 7 mm-08 160 gr BTSP Fed Fed 210 2.800 44.0 2669 7 mm-08 175 gr GS Fed Fed 210 2.745 44.0 2574
7 mm RM 110 gr HP Fed Fed 215 3.200 68.0 3535 7mm RM 130 gr BTSP Fed Fed 215 3.200 63.5 3255 7 mm RM 145 gr BTSP Fed Fed 215 3.210 61.8 3113 7mm RM 160 gr BTSP Fed Fed 215 3.210 59.0 2931 7 mm RM 175 gr GS Fed Fed 215 3.215 67.0 2774 7mm RM 150 gr BTSP Fed Fed 210 2.700 50.0C 2763
308 Win 165 gr BTSP Fed Fed 210 2.800 50.0C 2739 308 Win 180 gr BTSP Fed Fed 210 2.800 48.7C 2641
30-06 150 gr BTSP Fed Fed 210 3.250 58.0 3006 30-06 165 gr BTSP Fed Fed 210 3.250 56.5 2874 30-06 168 gr BTHP Fed Fed 210 3.295 56.0 2850 30-06 180 gr BTSP Fed Fed 210 3.250 54.5 2762 30-06 200 gr SP Fed Fed 210 3.250 51.0 2552 300 WSM 150 gr BTSP Fed Fed 215 2.810 69.3 3343
300 WSM 165 gr BTSP Fed Fed 215 2.810 68.0 3217 300 WSM 180 gr BTSP Fed Fed 215 2.800 66.0 3082
300 WM 150 gr BTSP Fed Fed 215 3.330 74.0 3333 300 WM 165 gr BTSP Fed Fed 215 3.340 72.5 3202 300 WM 180 gr BTSP Fed Fed 215 3.340 70.5 3074
325 WSM 150 gr S-SP Win Fed 215 2.850 71.5 3348 325 WSM 170 gr S-SP Win Fed 215 2.790 65.0 3131 325 WSM 200 gr SP Win Fed 215 2.840 65.0 2897 338 WM 200 gr SP Fed Fed 215 3.300 71.0 3002
338 WM 225 gr BTSP Fed Fed 215 3.340 67.5 2831 338 WM 250 gr GS Fed Fed 215 3.300 66.0 2664
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Bludog,
The before loads with that longer OAL 284:
I have to agree with SU35, that load data for 4350 is a good starting point. 58 gr of H4350 with moly used to be THE load with a 140 in this rifle. (57 gr without moly)
3000-3075 with a 140 (sierra gameking, nos bt, nos pt, TSX) 2900-2950 with a 150 nos pt 2800-2850 with 160 nos pt never tried any VLD type bullets back then.
All loads above were with moly coated bullets
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Tried some 140 nos bt yesterday. Not anywhere near as accurate with the testing. 59 gr was pretty much max. I seated the bullets without changing the depth from the 150 nos bt (lazy) and they were contacting the rifling which did not occur with the 150s.
58 gr of RL-17 yielded 3240 fps 58.5 3265 fps 59 3285 fps 59.5 was right at 3300 fps with signs of pressure (extractor marks)
I am going back to shoot the 150 nos bt load again to verify the accuracy. I would love to shoot the A-max and maybe even the 168 Berger VLD but this particular chamber has shown that it doesn't like those style bullets. Rem barrel's twist is 1 in 9.5 so it should stabilize the 162/168. I feel it is the throat dimensions that cause this issue. Standard hunting bullets generally shoot well in the rifle.
I would be interested in future tests anyone does with the 7 rem mag or 7 WSM.
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I find this thread very interesting as i have a model 7mm SAUM on hold at the local gun store. John Haviland wrote an article for Handloader April 2005 no.234 where he tests the same rifle with the 22" tube, here are his results with the factory loads:
140gr Rem psp core-lokt ultra- 3,090fps .77" *average of three, three shot groups
150gr Rem core-lokt- 3,090fps .90" *group average
160gr Rem core-lokt ultra- 2,893fps *1.82" group average
The 22" tube didnt lose as much velocity as i would have thought
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SU35,
I wonder if it will show an advantage in the 300 Win Mag with light for caliber (Barnes 130 TTSX) bullets?
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Over the weekend I loaded up a bunch of different bullets in 25-06 around this load: 25-06 120 gr BTSP Fed Fed 210 3.200 48.5 3012 All that has to happen now is, the temp must get above zero degrees F, the wind gotta stop blowin', and someone needs to get the snow off the rifle range as I can't get in to shoot.. Pray for spring....
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SU35,
I wonder if it will show an advantage in the 300 Win Mag with light for caliber (Barnes 130 TTSX) bullets? I would try 76 grains and bet it gets another 100 fps at least.
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My result today were very promising for my 6.5x284.
Here are my results for 28 inch barrel, 140g JLK's with Lapua brass and CCI BR primers at 0.010 into lands:
49.8g -3106/29/15 50.1g -3130/18/10 50.3g -3139/10/5 50.7g -3151/16/8 51g -3179/13/7
This compares quite favorably to my load of H4831SSC-51.2g at 2950g and 52.6g with N560 at 3045fps.
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