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One fairly often meets the phrase �the US Army have established, that 58ft/lbs is minimum energy needed in order to inflict a disabling wound on a soldier�.
I have been unable to find any official source, which can correlate this theory, so I hope I can get some assistance here.
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I don't recall the name of the study, only that it is bullshit that was around about the time the Wright Brothers were leaving the bicycle industry.
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Stopping power from a .22 long rifle can be better than a 454. Depends on where you hit 'em as to how quick they stop.
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I don't recall the name of the study, only that it is bullshit that was around about the time the Wright Brothers were leaving the bicycle industry. From memory are you referring to the Thompson-LaGarde test?
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I don't recall the name of the study, only that it is bullshit that was around about the time the Wright Brothers were leaving the bicycle industry. From memory are you referring to the Thompson-LaGarde test? Yeah, that's the one where they shot a dead cow that was hanging by a rope with a .38 and a .45, and decided that the rope swung a little more after it was shot with the .45, so that's what they needed for the military.
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I don't recall the name of the study, only that it is bullshit that was around about the time the Wright Brothers were leaving the bicycle industry. From memory are you referring to the Thompson-LaGarde test? Yeah, that's the one were they shot a dead cow that was hanging by a rope with a .38 and a .45, and decided that the rope swung a little more after it was shot with the .45, so that's what they needed for the military. Yeah, the test was flawed. The should have hung the cow from a cable. . . . .  BMT
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Thats the test. And I think that we can agree that despite the paramount importance of shot placement, caliber still matters.
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I had heard that TL was reviewed by Maj. Julian Hatcher and that's where that number came from.One thing about the'Fire for all the internet bullies and bad horrible people i'd be pleased to eat with we have here someone will know.
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Thanks for your answers Gents. I took a closer look at the Thompson-LaGarde �experiments� but have to admit, that I can�t find any reference to 58 ft/lbs in said report.
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Might have been Hatcher that came up with that figure. I don't have my books here and it's been a while. Either way, it's old and outdated.
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Once again thank you for the various answers, but can it really be true, that no participant in the forum knows the origin of the, by now, infamous 58 ft/lbs?
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It is actually 300 FTLBS for a sure stop. The military looks at stopping power differant than we do. To the military a wounded troop takes five people out of the fight.In a SD encounter you want the attacker stopped period, and unable to continue.
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There were different thresholds for wounding and killing.
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