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Long read. So please see- Link
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Liberals will never hear it.
Read the first guy's response below the thread starter's post for proof.
I don't care how you slice or dice it, liberals are going to have to be eliminated if freedom is to ever have a chance of survival in this world. They'll support what promotes their agenda and nothing more.
One liberal in favor of gun rights does not constitute much in my book. Most of his peers will shout him down. He and the few that support his words/ideas probably can't really be accurately called liberals. Seems to me the hallmark of today's liberal is being a gun hater. Everything else is secondary.
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As a Libertarian Republican I about 90% of the trouble I have with the ACLU is its 2nd Admendment stand. I wonder if the membership of the NRA also joined the ACLU, could we change the ACLU's SA position from the inside.
I would think that a pro 2nd ACLU would go a long way in convincing a lot of the RKBA indifferent moderates that RKBA is an important liberty.
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I see this as evidence that the original meaning of "liberal" has become completely distorted. True liberals support freedom, and not just their own or that which is popular.
Maybe that's why so many liberals prefer to be called "progressive" these days. Offhand, I can't give a dictionary definition of the term, but I tend to associate it with communism.
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I see this as evidence that the original meaning of "liberal" has become completely distorted. True liberals support freedom, and not just their own or that which is popular.
Maybe that's why so many liberals prefer to be called "progressive" these days. Offhand, I can't give a dictionary definition of the term, but I tend to associate it with communism.
Paul Of course Paul ! That is why I often write "so-called liberals". The so-called liberals will kidnap any positive word and make it their own, even if it is completely opposed to what they think, what they want or what they are. This is part of their strategy of communication. Another example beyond words, from the field of symbols : even though, throughout the world, red is the color of the left, American "liberals" (read leftists or far leftists) even stole the blue color from the conservatives...
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I've been posting that link on newspaper blogs whenever an anti-gun article being debated. It's a real thread-killer.
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I've an issue with interpretation of "well regulated militia".
The common argument by the antis means that it must be "well organized"- implying some sort of government control, or at least a club- style "organization" - weekend warriors, dinkers, trap shooters, what have you.
Does it not mean as well - "adequately provisioned and supplied"? After all, if all those guys (and gals) out there have guns, but no powder and ball, nor at least minimal " to go" rations for a few days, what good are they?
Effective chain of command and right smart drilling skills not withstanding.
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Here's the basics, as I understand them...
Predating the Constitution under Common Law is the Right to be secure in your life, liberty, and property.
We have the Right to defend our ourselves and our homes. A person's home is their Castle.
The Second Amendment exists for self protection. It allows the means to avoid suffering battery, murder, kidnapping, arson, enslavement, theft of property, etc...
The basic function of civil government before anything else is to support your Right to be secure in your life, liberty, and property. However it does not replace the need for the Right of self protection. In fact if you call the Police and they don't come when needed Courts have ruled we have no individual Right to Police protection.
This argument for the need for the 2nd Amendment as an individual Right is the elephant in the room that the politically correct et al... turn a blind eye too.
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Didn't read the article yet; got a turkey coming out of the oven shortly here... :-)
I've been making the case to my liberal friends for many years that the last thing in the WORLD they should be wishing for, is a disarmed society.
You can usually make an impression on them by pointing out that, oh, you know... that government you claim to distrust so much? And those evil police? You want THEM to be the only ones armed?
Half the reason I am well-armed is for protection against the right-wing nutjobs if TSHTF. The other half is for protection agains the liberals if TSHTF.
I'm not kidding.
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Don't believe everthing you read.These liberals are a bunch of hypocrytes.I know a few yuppie,liberal soccer moms that pack heat or their hubby's have a peice stashed in the bedroom. They get together and trash gunowners.But,in secret they know they need firepower to protect themselves and their families. They worked hard to aquire the valuble posesions they have and won't let some underprivileged minority take anything from them.They spout off in public about equal rights and help the poor,but they change their tune when they get behind closed doors. They aren't any different then the people they claim are the ones promoting stereotypes and have racist tendencies. Most of them are liberals only because it's the fad of the day.
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Here's the basics, as I understand them...
Predating the Constitution under Common Law is the Right to be secure in your life, liberty, and property.
We have the Right to defend our ourselves and our homes. A person's home is their Castle.
The Second Amendment exists for self protection. It allows the means to avoid suffering battery, murder, kidnapping, arson, enslavement, theft of property, etc...
The basic function of civil government before anything else is to support your Right to be secure in your life, liberty, and property. However it does not replace the need for the Right of self protection. In fact if you call the Police and they don't come when needed Courts have ruled we have no individual Right to Police protection.
This argument for the need for the 2nd Amendment as an individual Right is the elephant in the room that the politically correct et al... turn a blind eye too.
just my opinion... idahoguy101
You missed the other aspect of the second amendment as detailed in the blog discussed here (perhaps you did not have the time to read it) : the right to own and bear arms is also to allow the people to defend themselves against the state, should it become necessary. This is an essential aspect, it goes well beyond self defense.
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I've an issue with interpretation of "well regulated militia".
The common argument by the antis means that it must be "well organized"- implying some sort of government control, or at least a club- style "organization" - weekend warriors, dinkers, trap shooters, what have you.
Does it not mean as well - "adequately provisioned and supplied"? After all, if all those guys (and gals) out there have guns, but no powder and ball, nor at least minimal " to go" rations for a few days, what good are they?
Effective chain of command and right smart drilling skills not withstanding. Try this blast from the past.
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I wasn't presuming to cover all aspects of the second amendment. Just the individuals right to self protection of life, liberty, and property.
I would caution that the last serious taking of the position to that of a right to revolt against the federal government was the american civil war. We all know how that turned out. The matter of wholesale rebellion has been settled.
Why attach a legitimacy to the various survivalist, anti-tax rebels, and racial supremest groups claims? Have you met some of these knuckleheads? I have... I work in prisons. Enough to know they are sociopathic in the extreme.
I wouldn't trade this country for any other, warts and all.
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