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I have never loaded or used any Barnes Varmint Grenades in my 22-250. My son-in-law recently purchased a 22-250, does not reload but wants me to load some 50gr VGs for him. Don't really know why he wants to use that particular bullet but, here is my question; It says on the box and on the Barnes web-site that a 1:10 or faster twist is recommended. Most factory 22-250s have a 1:14 twist. Also, the load data on the Barnes web-site shows they used a 1:14 twist. So... Do any of you guys run these 50 gr Varmint Grenades in a 1:14 barrel? Any problems? And, why doesn't Barnes use a barrel with the twist they recommend?? Thanks for your help.
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I have a 1:12 in 22-250 and have had no luck with them. all over the board @100 yds. 8-12 inch groups. shot them fast shot'em slow still no improvement. I have read of great success but not in my rifle.
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They are quite long for their weight, which is why a faster twist is called for than the weight would normally indicate.
I just received a sample box of a soon-to-be-released 30-gr Hornet Varmint Grenade bullet. My caliper says they are as long as several regular 45-grain Hornet bullets, and almost as long as some 40-gr tipped bullets. (Good thing, too! When I seated them to my rifle's preferred OAL length, they only had 0.15" of the shank inside the neck.)
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Rocky,
I used the VGs in my 223, and it was the only bullet my rifle would not shoot. I weighed the VGs, and IIRC there was a weight variation of just under 2 grains.
I'll be interested to get your results with the 30gr VGs for my Hornet, and 221FB.
Steve
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Yeah Im still scratching my head on the VGs. My buddy was trying to run the 50s in a slower twist and could not get consistency. Switching to the 36 helped but the loads still seem erratic. Some groups will run 2" but the same group a while later will run 3/4". We know its not the rifles because it will go about 1/2" with the Vmax loads.
Has anyone seen any big improvements playing with OAL?
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I had my best luck with VG by slowing them down. Kind of defeats the purpose in my opinion but I did get a few accurate loads. In my opinion they are not wort the the extra money over other varmint type bullets.
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I've had the same experience with the 36gr out of my .223REM. The lighter the powder load, the better the group. I thought the same thing, defeats the purpose.
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Wow talk about deja vu, my buddy just came back from the range and reported one hole groups that were a couple grains shy of the full loads. Believe me if it was not for the lead free requirements I would not even have them on my bench.
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