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I have a buddy in the market for his first big game rifle that he wants to be able to use on deer, hogs, elk, oxyx, pretty much an all around rifle. Our local sportsman's warehouse is one of the ones that is closing so he was looking to buy one there. Problem is the only rifles they have left are in the less common calibers such as .270 WSM, the RUM, RSAUMs ect. I was going to suggest that he get a .30-06 since it'll do anything he needs it to and the ammo is readily available and cheap, at least compared to some but they don't have any. So the question is this, what, if any, of the WSM, RUMs,ect are going to be around for the long haul. He doesn't reload so if they stop making ammo for his gun then he's SOL. Thanks.
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Tell him to get a .270 WSM, I think that one is here to stay. Tell him to get into reloading as well.
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I think the .270 and .300 will be here at least a while. Obviously the .300 has sold more.
I think the 7mm wsm is doomed in factory rifles. Browning currently offers it but I'm not sure who else. As you've already noticed the SAUM were DOA.
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I think the .300, .325 will be here for some time to come and a possibility the 270 will survive.
I was surprised to read the 325 has been second to the 300 for sales easily beating the 270 and 7mm
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All of them will because there will always be 300 WSM brass to resize....
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If he wants to get a WSM, the 270 wsm. But really I would convince him to get a 30-06 or a 270 WCF. You only gain a inch or two at 400 yards comparing 270 shortfat to 270 WCF, and the WCF can do anything the shortfat can do at a lot cheaper price and an extended barrel life. My vote would be the 06 for everything north america.
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I hope that it's the 7mmWSM. That's the one that I own. I would think that the .308 would be a perfect starter rifle, if he can find one to his liking. Mention WalMart to him for a bargain and not to overlook the Howa line for quality guns worth the money. Good luck.
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If he wants to get a WSM, the 270 wsm. But really I would convince him to get a 30-06 or a 270 WCF. You only gain a inch or two at 400 yards comparing 270 shortfat to 270 WCF, and the WCF can do anything the shortfat can do at a lot cheaper price and an extended barrel life. My vote would be the 06 for everything north america. My opinion is that this is pretty darn good advice. And or course he could go 7/08 or 308 if he could find any good discussion circulating around on either.....grin Now as to which ones will survive. 300 WSM 270 WSM 325 WSM (well, maybe) 223 WSSM Have a super day all. Dober
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Why did you pick the 223 WSSM over either of the other 2? It seems that more folks have problems getting the 223 WSSMs to shoot then either of the other 2, or at least that is the impression that I got from reading the feedback on www.wssmzone.com.Personally, I think that the 300 WSM, 7mm SAUM, and 270 WSM will continue to have a following, but the whole WSSM line has been orphaned, perhaps prematurely, but orphaned never the less. That said, I have had outstanding success with the 25 WSSM and shoot it more than all my other .257" bore rifles. Jeff
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300wsm, and maybe the 270wsm. other guns will be cheap in a hurry.
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300 and 270 WSMs for sure will survive. The 7mm and 325 WSMs although not as popular, will also survive imo.
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Here's my thought on the 7mm WSM not being so popular. Some guys that want a little less recoil would jump right into the 270 wsm, and the bigger tougher guys who wants more than a 270 wsm, would just hop over to the 300 wsm, and believe me America loves thier 30 cals. The 7mm WSM is just as potent as the 300 and more so than the 270 wsm. I think it's ideal between the 270 and 300.
But if you look back in time when the rave was the 270 WCF and the 30-06 and then Remington introduce the 7mm Rem Mag debutting with it's model 700 rifle, the sales skyrocketed. Trajectory as flat as the 270 WCF and more punch than the 30-06. What more can you as for???
America loves it's 30's and 270's. The Europeans favor their 7mm.
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300 wsm or 270 wsm with 300 being in lead.I believe both will stay but ammo avalibility the 300 i think is more readily available
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Jeff-actually I just tossed out the 223 super shorty to see if anyone was actually reading... Good catch, and I agree it was dead b4 birth. Dober
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There's no logic to why the 270WSM is more popular than the 7mmWSM.
Or as too why people trade s 30/06 in on a 7mmRemMag, then trade in for one of the WSMs. People just do. New stuff sells when advertising convinces people that newer may be better than the old reliables. Performance wise, what truly new cartridges have come into the market since the 1960's?
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Besides the higher performance Remington ultra Mags all the other new cartridges "WSM,SAUM,RCM" meet performance of the prior mags.
The only differrence I see is that the RCM seems to do it with a shorter barrel.
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I'm prolly wrong but I think we'll see the 7wsm rebound. The 7's are awesome and can be had in so many configurations everyone can find what they want!! I'm diggin the idea of a 7shamu in a model seven.
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The 300, 270, and 325.
The 325 had to weather the most storms of "it should have been this", "it should have been that", "it shouldn't be this". But yet it has sold better than anyone expected even if it hasn't set the market on fire. I think folks who have actually used it rather than just talk about it have found it to be a pretty good round.
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I'm not critical of the newer cartridges. I'm just saying that they are a repackaging of performance that was already available in existing cartridges
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The reality is they are all going to survive. Some will be more popular than others, and factory ammo will be harder to get for some than others but it will be out there. Start reloading.
Ask yourself this question... how many rifles do I own that I can't get ammunition for. I'll bet zero.
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