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This was given to me about a week ago as a photo copy of an article written by the author below. It was given to me from a friend of my parents. A man that is a truly devout Catholic devoting his entire life to the Church and peacefully enticing or recruiting people into the Catholic faith in NYC.

I myself am nonpracticing other than trying to live and show by example, good virtues. Politics and persuasions to my religion (RC) on my part are like trying to find an outspoken monk... I'd rather spend countless hours with a select few deep in the woods with nary the need for a word spoken. But I do come down out of the hills once in awhile. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

His document, given to me, is copied into *text* and posted below FWIW.
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This is a true story and the author, Rick Mathes, is a well known leader in prison ministry.

Allah or Jesus?* by Rick Mathes

Last month I attended my annual training session that's required for maintaining my state prison security clearance. During the training session there was a presentation by three speakers representing the Roman Catholic, Protestant and Muslim faiths, who explained each of their belief systems.

I was particularly interested in what the Islamic Imam had to say. The Imam gave a great presentation of the basics of Islam, complete with a video. After the presentations, time was provided for questions and answers.

When it was my turn, I directed my question to the Imam and asked, "Please, correct me if I'm wrong, but I understand that most Imams and clerics of Islam have declared a holy jihad [Holy war) against the Infidels of the world. And, that by killing an Infidel, which is a command to all Muslims, they are assured of a place in heaven. If that's the case, can you give me the definition of an infidel?"

There was no disagreement with my statements and, without hesitation, he replied, "Non-believers!"

I responded, "So, let me make sure I have this straight. All followers of Allah have been commanded to kill everyone who is not of your faith so they can go to Heaven. Is that correct?"

The expression on his face changed from one of authority and command to that of a little boy who had just gotten caught with his hand in the cookie jar. He sheepishly replied, "Yes."

I then stated, "Well, sir, I have a real problem trying to imagine Pope John Paul commanding all Catholics to kill those of your faith or Dr. Stanley ordering Protestants to do the same in order to go to Heaven!" The Imam was speechless.

I continued, "I also have problem with being your friend when you and your brother clerics are telling your followers to kill me. Let me ask you a question. Would you rather have your Allah who tells you to kill me in order to go to Heaven or my Jesus who tells me to love you because I am going to Heaven and He wants you to be with me?"

You could have heard a pin drop as the Imam hung his head in shame.

*Senders (Mathes') words: Needless to say, the organizers and/or promoters of the 'Diversification' training seminar were not happy with Rick's way of dealing with the Islamic Imam and exposing the truth about the Muslim's beliefs. I think everyone in the US should be required to read this, but with the liberal justice system, liberal media, and the ACLU, there is no way this will be widely publicized. Please pass this on.
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Well I passed it on.
Hope you liked it.
Bill

*text* As well as my scanner would do, I had to do some serious editing to fix it <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" />

Amen. I have read this before and will pass it on. After 9/11 I have read several books on Islam to gain a working knowledge of this cult. Here are a few:

WINNING THE WAR AGAINST RADICAL ISLAM (Dr. Robert Morey)
UNVEILING ISLAM (Ergun Mehmet Caner, Emir Fethi Caner)
ISLAMIC INVASION (By Robert Morey)

...for your reading edification.

As I've said before, Islam IS the problem.

GDV

M99ER,



I forgot to tell you I copied your post yesterday and posted it at www.huntamerica.com. The folks there are very much against it. I also printed it out and shared it at work today.

I don't say much here, I read and learn allot from you guys.

On this subject:
Didn't our President say not long ago that the Muslims were a friendly people and a kind religion?
Isn't Islam and the Muslim religion the same?
If so maybe our President was just being nice and Politicly correct.
I'm disturbed that these people are everywhere in the USA.
However I'm not worried about my Castle. It will be defended when needed.

best regards,
JP

Hi - I couldn't find the thread at Huntamerica, I would love to read why the didn't like it. I have to admit it sounds like an "Urban Legeand" to me. It's just to good to be true! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> I just can't imagine ANY Muslim giving up and hanging his head in shame. He would have been all over that guy like a snake on a mouse. Anyway try reading "Tea with Terrorists" It is pretty good. I did skip through a lot of the fluffy love story stuff to get back to the action and reasearch sections.

Yes, Islam and the Moslem religion are one and the same. These are two words to refer to the same thing. The president was not telling us the truth when he said that Islam is a religion of peace. The Koran teaches that anyone who is not a believer in Islam can be killed, and in fact ought to be killed. This is why Islam invaded the Middle East, North Africa, Eastern Europe, Spain, France and Italy (Though Italy ultimately defeated them at Lepanto). Northern Africa and most of the Middle East was securely Christian (along with the rest of the West) when, in the 7th Century (I think that's correct) Islam swarmed into those regions killing or enslaving all who would not convert. Next, they attacked Greece, then Europe, both east and west. They conquered almost all of Spain, some of France, nearly defeated Italy and conquered portions of Eastern Europe. From time to time, Christian Europe united to push them back, and this is what we are vilified for, i.e., the Crusades, which were a series of efforts by Christian Europe to drive back the Moslem invaders. Europe ultimately failed to drive them out of North Africa, Israel, and the Middle East, but succeeded in driving them out of Europe, except for some portions of Eastern Europe. Spain eventually drove them out on their own (after centuries of occupation). It was largely in the 19th Century that the apparent juggernaut of Islam seemed to run out of steam, and finally faded, but now it seems to be trying to come back as a threat to Christian nations. What they could not do with overt warfare, they are now attempting to do via immigration and prolific reproduction, combined with terrorism, which they all seem to quietly approve of. If we do not wake up, we will find that it is once again a Moslem world, and there won't be enough Christians left to drive them back.

I want to apologise for spreading an article that turns out to be urban legend. I should have known the "hung his head in shame" line was BS. I \guess I'm the one left staring at my shoelaces... I thought that statement to be odd but didn't pay it no mind at the time.



Although much of the statement is fact, the article is definitely fabricated.



I went to HA just now but couldn't because HA is closed?!?!?! Somebody must have finally gotten under Swamps skin! I gotta admit that guy's skin is tough as a Rhino's...



I'm going to send a copy of the Snopes article to the friend of the family and mention that he researches his finds a little more in the future. I had already asked him that when sharing these articles that he has a source that can be checked but he didn't have one and does not even own a computer. Strictly snailmail for him.



I should send him a pc...



Thanks all,





...And thanks for that read Hawkeye.

The very fact that this was "urban legend" doesn't nullify the fundamental truth of the character's comments; the exception to reality here is the muslim's reaction. Even in the bright light of the truth the true muslim spokesperson/radical would not let the irrational character of his religion silence him.

GDV

Here is an interesting link from the morning news
http://www.cnn.com/2004/SHOWBIZ/Music/05/29/gene.simmons.ap/index.html
I am willing to bet that this man's (???!!!?) publicists instructed him to back off from his 1st IMO true statement.
To the poster who was disturbed that George W. refered to Islam as a peaceful religion, I was disturbed too. My intiution is that he knows better & that being a world leader is somewhat like a poker game, you can't show all your cards & expect to win... or for that matter , stay in the game.
Hawkeye, you sound like a very well read guy. May I ask for some of your sources of the historical prespective on Islam?
I must say I am quite shocked that I find myself in agreement with the origional statement of a KISS rocker type.
The Lord surely does work in mysterious ways! 2nd wind

Well, I have been a history reader all my life, so I don't know of any one source for all that, but you can certainly take any portion of what I said and do a search on the Internet for information relating to it. For example, just plug the word "Lepanto" into any search engine, and you will find lots of information about it. Same with the words Islam and Spain, or Islam and Eastern Europe, or Islam and Greece or Islam and "Fall of Constantinople." You can also research the early history of Islam in the Middle East and North Africa.

We all get caught up with these hoaxes as we like things that tickle our ears.

One thing that is not a hoax is that Islam was is the fastest growing of all religions in the world, and was the case here in our beloved USA until the terrorist attack on 9-11.

The popular thing to say in our country was, I've joined the islamic faith, as we witnessed by scores of celebreties and athletes proclaiming their new found faith.

I have a turkish man that works for me that became a follower of Jesus Christ 10 years ago. He has not been back to his country because of the persecussion that has been promised. He was also disowned by his family. The faith of the muslims is not that of grace.

Grace alone and faith in the One that demontrates that grace through His blood is the Way, The Truth, and The Life. No man comes to the Father but by He that demonstrated that Grace, Jesus Christ, the Son of God.



Lift up Your Heads,

vance

I read something that John Ashcroft said when asked what the difference is between Islam and Christianity, an I'll paraphrase, "In one, God wants you to send your son to die for him, in the other, God sent his son to die for you." I think that pretty well sums it up.

Another book on the reading list is Robert Spencer's "Onward Muslim Soldiers." These so-called "radicals" that are waging jihad are not radical at all - they are simply practicing what the Koran preaches.

Exactly right!

The_Real_Hawkeye, When a Christian practices Jesus' teaching, he turns the other cheek if struck. What a difference in doctrine!!