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i have a barrel chambered to 6.5x55 and i already have a swede. i thought maybe i would build a 6.5-06 mauser or 6.5x284.
i assume both would clean up the swede chamber enough?
the 284 obviously i might have to set the barrel back, but other than that?? and which cartridge would you guys go with?
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The base of the 6.5X55 is a few thou larger than the '06 case, so some set back at lease would be required.
I have been shooting a 6.5-'06 for a lot of years, so I might go for the 6.5-284. I would like to try a 6.5 Rem Mag too.
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supposedly the shoulder angle is bad on thoats in the 6.5x284...i have no experience with it so i have no idea.
i am leaning toward the 6.5-06. or i would do something like a 6.5x250 or some other wildcat.
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If the shoulder angle has any effect on throat erosion (I not seen any scientific studies done to confirm or refute this theory)the 6.5/06 would be the offender.
In truth, both cartridges are harder on throats than the 6.5x55 because they burn more powder and are always loaded hot. The 6.5/284 should clean up the 6.5x55 chamber but the throat would be long so it might be advisable to set back a bit.
I have chambered and shot all three and like the 6.5x55 better than the other two FWIW. GD
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supposedly the shoulder angle is bad on thoats in the 6.5x284...i have no experience with it so i have no idea.
i am leaning toward the 6.5-06. or i would do something like a 6.5x250 or some other wildcat.
-Matt The 6.5-284 is fairly hard on barrels as rifles go but it has a bad reputation as being worse than a 6.5-06 and 6.5 mag. The 284 case based round is mainly used by long range target shooters and typically uses very LONG bullets- these and the accompanying powder charges are harder on barrels than the guy hunting with 125 Partitions and what not. Either one will be just fine. You have a little more lee way with the 6.5-284 in seating bullets out than the 06 case as you can be limited by magazine length.
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There isn't any reason to set the barrel back when rechambering from 6.5x55 to 6.5-284, unless you want a fresh throat, as the 6.5-284 finish reamer will clean out the existing 6.5x55 chamber at all of the key points. The 6.5-284 and 6.5x55 cases are the same, 2.165", length.
As noted elsewhere, you'd need to cut a 6.5x55 barrel back to the point where the chamber diameter is no greater than 0.470", the diameter of the 30-06 case just ahead of the rim.
If you have EXCEL, I can email you my "cartridge conversion calculations, version 2" file. It is a rather useful little tool, if I do say so myself.
I have a couple of 6.5-284 rifles with over 2K rounds down the pipe and still get MOA+/- groups from them with their pet loads. 1 is a Winchester/USRA 70 FWT, long action, with a 22" CM barrel that was rechambered from 6.5x55 to 6.5-284 without being set back. The other is a Remington 700 with a 24" SS barrel that was rechambered from 260 to 6.5-284 without (obviously) being set back. The 22" Winchester is faster, with the same loads, than the 24" Remington.
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Jeff, I have been wondering about the merits of 22" and 24" barrels for the 6.5/284. You have some real expenience.
Can you tell me what velocity you are getting? And is the muzzle blast in the field excessive with the 22" barrel?
Also, I presume your Remington version is built on a short action. Are you loading any 130/140gn projectiles in the short action?
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Thought about a 6.5x55 AI?
I like the one that I built on a Savage action with a Rock Creek barrel.
In the late hunt last seaon, one doe at 758 yards was a one shot deal (in a 26 mph crosswind - full value plus!)
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You would have to set the barrel back, the Swede is 55 mm the 284 is 51mm in length. Clean up the chamber might not be the right term. I like all three calibers and have a custom 6.5/284, 06 and AI '06. I think the 6.5-06 is the one that should have been (256 Newton) the 25-06 and 270 are a waste of brass.
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There isn't any reason to set the barrel back when rechambering from 6.5x55 to 6.5-284, unless you want a fresh throat, as the 6.5-284 finish reamer will clean out the existing 6.5x55 chamber at all of the key points. The 6.5-284 and 6.5x55 cases are the same, 2.165", length.
As noted elsewhere, you'd need to cut a 6.5x55 barrel back to the point where the chamber diameter is no greater than 0.470", the diameter of the 30-06 case just ahead of the rim.
If you have EXCEL, I can email you my "cartridge conversion calculations, version 2" file. It is a rather useful little tool, if I do say so myself.
I have a couple of 6.5-284 rifles with over 2K rounds down the pipe and still get MOA+/- groups from them with their pet loads. 1 is a Winchester/USRA 70 FWT, long action, with a 22" CM barrel that was rechambered from 6.5x55 to 6.5-284 without being set back. The other is a Remington 700 with a 24" SS barrel that was rechambered from 260 to 6.5-284 without (obviously) being set back. The 22" Winchester is faster, with the same loads, than the 24" Remington.
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Jeff, The 6.5 Swede is about .060" longer than than the 6.5x284 case and that would leave a lot of cartridge neck space, not bullet throat, without setting the barrel back. Not generally good for accuracy. I believe I'd set the barrel back when going from the Swede to the 284 case.
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I have a couple of 6.5-284 rifles with over 2K rounds down the pipe and still get MOA+/- groups from them with their pet loads. Jeff
WOW............now if I can get this outta the next custom(6.5x284) Broughton barrel would be nice. What grain powder and bullets your using?
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Check again.
I have seen the 6.5-284 case length listed from 2.165" to 2.170". The calculation to convert inches to millimeters is 1mm = 0.0393700787"
Divide 2.165" by 0.0393700787" = 54.99mm
Divide 2.170" by 0.0393700787" = 55.12mm
Although, on the minimum case length side, 54.99mm isn't quite 55mm, it is only 0.000394" less and I think that 4/10,000" could be the difference between reamers.
I have done this conversion and believe that you don't need to set the barrel back unless you want a fresh (or shorter) throat. My Winchester/USRA 70 FWT was rechambered without having the barrel set back and it is the fastest of my 284s, despite having the shortest (22") barrel.
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I stand corrected. I had dims for the 284 and 6.5x284 at 2.1138" (Norma) and 2.1142" for the 284 with the 6.5x55 at 2.165". I looked again and the manual says 2.170" for the 6.5x284. Must have had my eyes crossed. I have a custom Lilja barrell on mine with some custom features in the throat for the Lapua Scenar 139 bullet. It is a fine shooter also.
You're right the Swede is notoriously long throated. I do prefer the 120 to 140 grain spitzers which don't need that Swede throat. Thanks for the correction.
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