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Will their be state run pot fields? Will their be potency guidelines? Will cigarette companies be able to put out a line of pot? Half of me want to see this finally go through, just to see the chaos. What happens to people who grow their own pot, will they face jail time? How will Mexicans react, cheaper more potent pot? The bill introduced by San Francisco Democratic Assemblyman Tom Ammiano in February would allow adults to legally possess, grow and sell marijuana. So if it is legal to grow it, how would it be taxed? As the bill is written, the state could not begin collecting taxes under the bill until the federal government legalizes marijuana.
A spokesman says Ammiano plans to amend the bill to remove that provision. Noway this works as intended.
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You are correct. Other than the savings derived by the criminal justice system being less stressed, the inherent costs of employing stoners and increased demand for twinky's there would by no fiscal change. You would think that weed smoker's would just grow their own, but industriousness is not one of their traits.
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I'd think that not prosecuting/imprisoning for pot possession or growing would result in a large savings to the CA budget. Keep the "no sale to minors" laws on the books, heck maybe even boost the penalties.
You'd also see a good chunk of pot users growing their own, thus killing the need for illegal pot farms, and their attendant negative environmental effects. Unintended consequence - Humboldt county would suffer a major setback, financially.
We've tried outlawing it, see how well that's done? Now how about going the other way for a while. Could be worse, could be better. Only one way to find out...
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Read somewhere (might have been 60 minutes) that it would produce the 2nd largest cash crop next to corn.
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You would think that weed smoker's would just grow their own, but industriousness is not one of their traits. Knowing your occupation, I seriously doubt that you'd have a lot of contact with folks that smoke on a regular basis. So I also doubt that you'd know that there are a lot of folks that smoke pot much as a large segment of the population uses alcohol - in moderation. Then there's also the probability that if you decriminalize pot, it will become the substance of choice (free to grow, no penalties) and the markets for meth, heroin and cocaine will take a significant hit. Yet another financial gain for the State... Scott
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In reality, I doubt it. It may be a big money industry now, but unlike growing corn or making alcohol, it takes no skill to grow marijuana. I'm for legalization.
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In California, a big chunk of delta water goes to produce cotton. Convert to growing hemp and agricultural water needs take a drop. Lots less pesticides needed for hemp as well...
Heck, we're circling the drain right now, financially. Time to think outside of the box. My stance - decriminalize pot (no taxation at first) and put a sunset on the law in five years.
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Assuming what other people know is a serious mistake in life.
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Well if it is the states intention (then the fed) to tax the hell out of it, why wouldn't black market pot emerge to beat the taxes?
It isn't like you have to build a still in the back yard and gather ingredients, many will grow their own, so will these people be subject to arrest?
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...You would think that weed smoker's would just grow their own, but industriousness is not one of their traits. At least the police are industrious enough to make their own doughnuts! http://www.copsdoughnuts.com/
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Hey, wait just a goldurn minute here, an idea just struck me (and left a big mark) - Legalized pot means more people with the munchies. More people with the munchies means more cravings for stuff like, well, doughnuts! More craving for doughnuts means more cops can open more doughnut stores... This could be a win-win-win for all involved.
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That's what I'm talkin' 'bout! I am for legalization of marijuana, just as Scott said, with some regulation. What I find laughable is when people try to justify it by thinking there will be money to be made. Money saved, yes, but not made. Stoners always think there is this huge market for weed, but reality the demand just exceeds the supply...because it is illegal. If legallized, the supply will quickly exceed the damand. No profit...no black market. That's why I'm for it. Heck, I might even smoke some and eat FREE donuts!
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You can not legislate morality and current draconian laws only make professional criminals wealthy as it distracts and dilutes the efforts of our police and judicial systems. No one has proposed allowing people to drive or work stoned. I would rather my tax dollars are spent pursuing violent criminals that prey on society rather than stoners zoning out on a sofa. We lock up stoners every day and let convicted felons walk because the jails are too full. Prohibition did not work for alcohol, Gun control does not keep guns from criminals, Gambling is quickly becoming the financial deficit solution. What is the big deal on pot? Who is making so much money on pot being illegal that they do not want it legalized? Obama was a stoner by self admission and he became president - OOPPS!!! Bad example.........
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Assuming what other people know is a serious mistake in life. True that. However, if Pat makes the statement "A particular group of people behave in a particular manner", then doesn't it follow that Pat may not know many people belonging to that group that do not behave in the manner described? So, just how many of your buddies use? Scott
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Never tried it but don't see how it could have a worse impact on users and society than booze and I like booze. As mentioned in addition to providing stand alone revenue to the state it could reduce crime as well as the workload and expense on the criminal justice system from enforcement to incarceration. I'd like to see them give it a shot so the other states don't have to support California.
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I never thought I would say this, but legalizing pot in CA might just really help them out $$$ wise. Let the fools that want to kill off their brains still smoke the stuff, and the state get some much needed income.
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The problem in California is uncontrolled spending. If they take in billions from Weed, they will only find ways to spend frivolously. It is a weird band-aid for compulsive spending by the State Assembly.
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Hatari, I think you make a good point. The scary part is, the Feds seem to spend uncontrollably as well.
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The problem in California is uncontrolled spending. If they take in billions from Weed, they will only find ways to spend frivolously. It is a weird band-aid for compulsive spending by the State Assembly. Boy, you got that right! and 1.4B won't even buy the Bastiges lunch. Bear
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I thought you HAD to be a stoner to live in CA?.... No?
Here's the way I look at it - have at it. Fiddle away Caesar. CA is FUBARed. anything they do now just prolongs the inevitable. They need a total collapse before they can rebuild. Very similar to the "pain killer" they inject the death row inmate with just before giving him the big sleep. Sad really.
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