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i have a custom 284win wiyh a 26inch er shaw barrel and it shoot 1 inch or a little under with 52.4 gr of imr 4350 and 150 gr nbt and 56gr of imr 4350 and 120gr nbt could not get good groups with rl 19 and 139gr btsp hornady

Hi Ross, I certainly hope of the 2 of us, you are the one right. I'd sorely hate to see the 284 go away. I just feel with almost noone but target shooters employing the round how long will Winchester and whoelse continue to make the brass.
Several years ago I too sectioned a 284 and I used a 7mm Rem mag. As you found out, the 284's web was thicker by a "seeable" amount.
Take care Amigo.

If I ever buy a NULA it will be a 284. Sure like hearing of others having one.

SU35: the twist is what Rem uses for their 7 Rem mag, 1 in 9 1/4 I believe. This SS barrel has just under 1000 rounds through it.

Clif: if the 284 win case goes out of production there will still be the 6.5-284 norma and Nosler.

I've had two 284's--one was a lightly used ULA (pre-NULA) that I bought really, really cheap....it was not particularly accurate. I know, I know, I'm probably the only guy alive who had a Forbes rifle that wasn't super accurate.

When I first started lusting after a lightweight mountain rifle in the 70's, the choices were few--and the custom gun choices were out of my reach. Back then common wisdom said a lightweight rifle needed to be a short action to save wieght. I figured the 284 was the perfect choice.

But the rebated fat case did present some feeding problems, and even my 284 ULA didn't feed as slick as other ULA's/NULA's chambered in other cartridges I've tried. My M700 I had built into a 284 didn't feed well--of course, altering rails and the ramp is one of the most difficult things to get right, but some rifles/cartridge combos just ain't made for one another.

In the end, a 270 does a bit better in velocity, and can be made as light as I prefer in a mountain rifle, so I consider my 270's to be "improved" 284's

Then there is the 7-08.....a simplified 284.

I know, I know, there IS a cool factor to the 284 to consider, and the two 284's I sold I actually made a profit on them......



Casey

This is a very good thread with mucho good things being said here.
25 years ago I had a 284 built on a shot out 257 Roberts barrel, a heavy Buhmiller barrel that was my Step Dad's. The Barrel was opened up to 7mm and rifled with a 1-9 twist. It's my beanfield rifle now, and shoots extremely with with RL-15 powder.
I debated for about a month on getting either a 280, or the 284; the 284 came out on top for me because of the case design.

I'm not sure the 270 does a bit better in velocity, but I do agree they are very similar ballistically, and the weight difference is really negligible. The 270 is definitely more practical, especially for a non-handloader, but, personally, I'd take a good feeding 284 Winchester over a 270, 280 or 30-06. It seems to be all the gun one would need for anything you can hunt in the lower 48, and if you really like a SA better (which I do for no really good reason) it is a very versatile round.

I am late to join the party but am another proud owner of a Savage 99 in 284. I don't chase the last fps in the Svage but with 150 Win PP and 150 Nosler Partitions it shoots very well and quite flat. The rotary magazine is a hoot, solves any feeding issues, and I get a kick out of out-shooting most bolt guns at the range with an archaic looking lever gun.

The .284 is quite a package and I might even keep the 358 Norma at home during Moose season and give it a whirl this fall.

I probaly have the least high tech 284 that I know of. It's Remington 7600 that has been rechambered from 7-08. 120 B'Tips, 154 Hornady spire points as well as 154 Hornady roundnoses can be seated out to 3.040 by using a 30-06 clips.

Shoots very well and the above bullets do the trick nicely.

I have read and listened to all the various reasoning behind choosing the 284 over the .280 or .270, and it all boils down to the shorter action and weight, which in my mind is approaching anal..If one thinks that couple of ounces makes a bit of difference then that is anal, it doesn't. If one thinks he must have that less than a quarter of an inch difference in bolt throw then again that is getting pretty anal, and that person cannot chew gum and walk at the same time! Balistically the .284 is a bit behind the .280 for instance and heavy bullets normally take up powder space in a short case unless the caliber is modified to take longer bullets then you just modified your reasoning for owning a short case!

The only legit reasoning I can see is the .284 is an awesome caliber for Savage Lever action, The Browning Lever action, the Win. 100 and 88, it fits a need in this catagory and its a fine caliber. I don't like a rebated rim as it has caused problems in the past and has caused problems in some custom rifles for whatever reason.

Yes, I know that Browning makes the lever action in the longer and larger calibers but those guns are an abomination in clunkery and length of action etc. I would prefer the .284 over the .280 in a Browning Lever gun.

What is the real and not imagined reason for the .284 in a bolt gun is the fact that those who own them must be protective of them and they feel a need to justify thier expendature rather than just saying I love my gun which is about all the real justification one needs, that one holds water!

This has been my honest assessment and opinnion and not submitted to anger anyone that owns and likes the .284, it is the other side of the story or the other option to consider. It is my personal reasoning for my decision making..So before making your decision, take all the options and give all of them your consideration and follow your heart, and that is the reason for my post..

I have owned several Savage 99s in .284 caliber and they were my all time favorite caliber in the 99s for use on anything larger than deer, where my old 250-3000 Sav. 99 still gets the bid. I love the Sav. 99 284, 308 and 250 for saddle guns.

They have their place and that's for sure, but like most things I believe they can be misplaced.

The real reason for me is that whatever the 708 does good the 284 does better.

Toss out all the 08's Ray because they use a short action and only anal people use them?

Your logic eludes me.

btw, I have a 284 bolt rifle in the works as we speak.

FN SPR action
Rock SS 5R 1/9 Light Palma
Manners MCS-T

168 VLD'S at 2,900 spark the fire for me.

OK Ray, I'll say it. I have a 284 win Model 70 and I love my gun. Don't know if that's anal or not, but I prefer a SA over a LA and the 284 does it for me. To each his own and it's great to have choices.

I have had a 284 for 20 years.

Mine is a 700 Rem that came into the world as a 7mm08 but was re-chambered. I just like something a bit different.

I had pushed it to the back of the closet for several years, but it got used last fall. I had forgotten how it killed so effectively for me. It has been a rather "lucky" gun.

I have had only one 270 and traded it off because the stock did not fit me. I seemed to have found deals on 30.06 so that was what I used.

I like the idea of having a 284! May it live a long life!

I came to the .284 from the .270. I wanted a higher sectional density bullet than the 150 gr .270 and the .284 can take the 175. I wanted to keep the velocity of the 150 in a .270, about 2800-2850 fps; my 7 mag gives 2850-2900 with 175s in a 26" barrel. Melvin made me a NULA Model 20 in .284 (he said, "short and fat's where its at" [for accuracy and efficiency] when I asked about the .284 vs. .280 Rem. I got a 28" Douglas stainless barrel and all I have shot in it are 175 Hornadys, getting around 2850 fps.

In my way of thinking would not do another .284 on the Rem stock SA limited to 2.8" OAL the 3.1" length allows better bullet selection, and more options.

That's one STOMPIN' load you got there. I shoot those Hornady 175s in my 7x57s. They ROCK!

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Let me see if I got this straight you had a NULA made with a 28" tube in 284...?

Dober

If I can say, with no malice or ill will, that is the most convoluted, circuitous and complicated route to a simple end I've likely seen posted on the campfire. You get the mental gymnastics gold medal award in the rifle looney category...

I salute you

Nicely put there Dale...

Dober

Well, it was an awesome amount of effort and reasoning in achieving a simple end!

I'm for thinking that the 28" NULA should be called the Johhny C Holmes rifle...


Dober