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I would be happy to share supper with them and listen to their thoughts.. I would love to get over to Wales sometime, and Ireland and Scotland as well, for that matter.  Penny
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Oh, and P.S. Don't assume that I necessarily share Barak's thoughts...   Penny
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Oh, and P.S. Don't assume that I necessarily share Barak's thoughts... Penny Not for one minute Penny, as I recognise a strong and independant women when I see one! No, I think you and I have a different perspective on life because I am a some what cynical heathen! 
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The only thing worse than a liberal is a liberal that thinks they're a conservative.
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No, I think you and I have a different perspective on life because I am a some what cynical heathen! Barak is simply... Barak. He's unique. I love, admire, and respect him greatly. He's absolutely the best man in the world for me. But he's not your "average guy" by a long shot... Penny
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Hi, Pat! How's life been treating you? Penny
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TRH, my problem with the "rule of law" is that the Law is so damn... Plastic. It's malleable. It's situational, contextual, arguable... And in the end, the result is citizens ruled BY a bunch of laws, not laws constraining governmental power.
Because, who OWNS the law, practically speaking? The government in all it's bloated glory. A conservative government will apply the same body of law differently than a liberal government- which is proof of what I'm saying, right there...
It's putting the fox in charge if the henhouse... When I say "the rule of law" I refer to something very specific. It's the opposite of the rule of men, i.e., it's the opposite of arbitrary rule where the law is whatever someone in power (at any given level) decides it is at any given time, and what is illegal can even change retroactively. Under the rule of law, any individual who's reached the age of reason can, if he chooses, be certain that he is not at any time in violation of any law, i.e., those who are in power are restrained by the law from acting arbitrarily.
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I think a healthy dose of Blackstone and Locke are needed. I find it hard to understand someone who claims to dislike state intervention in their life, yet votes for the most fascist President we've had since FDR.
If the American People allow private banks to control the issuance of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks..., will deprive the People of all their Property,...Thomas Jefferson
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I find it hard to understand someone who claims to dislike state intervention in their life, yet votes for the most fascist President we've had since FDR. Barak didn't vote for Obama, but maybe you're talking about someone else... Penny
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I find it hard to understand someone who claims to dislike state intervention in their life, yet votes for the most fascist President we've had since FDR. Barak didn't vote for Obama, but maybe you're talking about someone else... Penny He's talking about JeffO.
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f it worked, Barak, somewhere in human history it would have worked. It hasn't. Empirical truth in the laboratory of thousands of years of human history calls BS on the theory.
Barakistan cannot work for one reason: human nature. In considering living in Barakistan I think of a dialogue in 'A Man For All Seasons' between Cardinal Woolsey and Thomas More in which Woolsey asks More if he would rule England by prayer. More replied that he would try. Woolsey replys cynically, "I'd like to be there when you try." More desperately wanted an England as pure in thought and deed as himself but Woolsey knew how corrupt people really were. I think More knew it but wished it were otherwise.
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We've already tried the whole Republic thing, and we've seen how it works and what happens to it. Other countries have tried it too, with the same result. Yep, and we know from observation that houses (by the standard above) don't work either, so we shouldn't build them, and we shouldn't live in them. We should start living without any houses at all. I mean, after all, each and every house that has ever been built either has fallen, or inevitably will fall, into disrepair and then utterly collapse. Therefore we should all just live out in the open. Nicely played, sir. I still don't think it's worth it, though. I think the State is about to work itself into serious trouble, and I would much rather see it work itself entirely out of existence than be replaced by another.
"But whether the Constitution really be one thing, or another, this much is certain--that it has either authorized such a government as we have had, or has been powerless to prevent it. In either case, it is unfit to exist." --Lysander Spooner, 1867
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I find it hard to understand someone who claims to dislike state intervention in their life, yet votes for the most fascist President we've had since FDR. Barak didn't vote for Obama, but maybe you're talking about someone else... Penny TRH is correct, I was referring to JeffO.
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I think a healthy dose of Blackstone and Locke are needed. I find it hard to understand someone who claims to dislike state intervention in their life, yet votes for the most fascist President we've had since FDR. "Fascism"? Bush bailed out the bankers. McCain would have bailed out the bankers, and given the alternative, he would have pumped money into GM (necessitating a government stake). I guess under a broad definition of Fascism, they both would qualify. But that's a stretch. Simply put, the R's are more prone to intervention in people's personal lives than the D's. You just don't see it because you agree with the interventions!
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If as Hawk posted on another thread, we stuck in strong masculine energy so live with it, than other than just talking there is nothing we can do about our state of affairs. You're speaking a language I'm not familiar with. Sounds all New Age like. That said, it is human nature, for better or worse, that males dominate society. We are not spiders. We are vertebrates of a high order. The norm, with very few exceptions, for such animals is male domination. Look at a gorilla or [bleep] community, for example. Look at a pride of lions. Males are more strongly built, and produce high levels of testosterone, which increases aggression and determination to dominate. A female dominated society would be an aberration in the extreme for human beings. Human nature is fixed in this regard. To the extend that a society encourages the opposite, that society is at odds with nature, i.e., perverted. I don't know about New Age but I do think on a higher plane of consciousness than most. I'm not talking about male and female (gender or sex) dominated society I'm talking about our spirit or life energy. Masculine energy, hot, aggressive or feminine energy, cool, passive, if we cannot balance that energy than we are doomed to constant wars and destruction. I would like to think that as a species that clams to be the top of the food chain we can find someway to balance our masculine/feminine energy to be more productive. If we cannot, than as a species we will die off and there is nothing a God, Jesus or Goddess can do about it.
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f it worked, Barak, somewhere in human history it would have worked. It hasn't. Empirical truth in the laboratory of thousands of years of human history calls BS on the theory.
Barakistan cannot work for one reason: human nature. In considering living in Barakistan I think of a dialogue in 'A Man For All Seasons' between Cardinal Woolsey and Thomas More in which Woolsey asks More if he would rule England by prayer. More replied that he would try. Woolsey replys cynically, "I'd like to be there when you try." More desperately wanted an England as pure in thought and deed as himself but Woolsey knew how corrupt people really were. I think More knew it but wished it were otherwise. Moore did write the novel Utopia and coin the word.
Don't vote knothead, it only encourages them. Anonymous
"Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups." Anonymous
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I do think on a higher plane of consciousness than most.
LOL!!! How could you possibly know what plane of consciousness anyone else thinks on? The only accurate thing you can say is that you yourself think you think on a higher plane of consciousness than you used to. However, for all I know, your own higher plane is seven steps below my current plane........
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VA, Barak is beyond help or salvation. He is stuck in the 70's. I can't believe you would give him fodder for his ideolological nonsense.
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No, I think you and I have a different perspective on life because I am a some what cynical heathen! Barak is simply... Barak. He's unique. I love, admire, and respect him greatly. He's absolutely the best man in the world for me. But he's not your "average guy" by a long shot... Penny Penny, I can no longer give the man the benefit of the doubt. I simply cannot respect someone who disrespects the troops as much as he does. In this regard is no different than any other sheep who despises the sheepdog--at least until the wolves show up................
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