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If he was so mesmerizing when he spoke, we'd have the Olympics coming to Chicago! Just ask the libs.
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Which shroud? Seems that burial shrouds in Europe have a common denominator. They all seem to be from the same period of time (abut 1400-1600 ad)They ll seem to be from the same process. They were all reported to be heirloom relics of some religious figure.
Of the countless photos I have seen, there is one that is not shown often. A photo of the area with the image of the penis. That shows a male penis that is clearly uncircumcised. I guess this figure of Christ somehow missed the Jewish tradition of the custom of male circumcision?
Like many here, I wondered for a long time, until I saw this seldom seen photo of the shroud.
Thus saith thr lord; Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeh from the lord. Jeremiah 17:5 KJV
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Have read considerable about the shroud.
Lots of intrigue. Hardest to explain away is pollen trapped within it that is not found in France, but only in the Middle East region.
That said...
One author made a good case for the image possibly being that of Jacques De Molay, last Grand Master of the Knights Templars. Carbon dating of shroud is consistent with the era in which he was first brutally tortured and then burned at the stake...by King Phillip of France, and with the blessings of the Pope.
In any event...
I always find it interesting that, whenever something shows up that may actually physically prove the existence of Jesus, the Vatican inevitably blows it collective brains out trying to have it certified as fake.
In that vein, I tell my Christian friends that it's a pretty much given that, should Jesus ever return, the Vatican and Christians will be the first to deny Him, and label him some kind of kook.
Just sayin'...
news flash for you spring. catholics are christians. so watch how you phrase things. we don't need someone else here showing their anti-Catholic bias.
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Medieval times also gave us the halo (borrowed from the pagan) and medieval artists' agreement of how to portray Jesus.
The long, effeminate hair is especially an anachronism. Samson's long hair was a notable exception to cultural custom, and Paul wrote in another era that "if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him."
"Good enough" isn't.
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I tell my Christian friends that it's a pretty much given that, should Jesus ever return, the Vatican and Christians will be the first to deny Him, and label him some kind of kook.
He may well walk among us now and frequently throughout history and has felt the denial and labels you mention. But I believe when He makes his promised return He'll come with an entrance and entourage that will be undeniable. There will be no need for a label as He'll already have one on His clothing and on His thigh, not that it will be needed. Everyone will know who He is and the day that has arrived. Then again he may look at the mess he created down here and by-pass this planet for one more favorable. Maybe one with a lot of hot babes. 
Don't vote knothead, it only encourages them. Anonymous
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Have read considerable about the shroud.
Lots of intrigue. Hardest to explain away is pollen trapped within it that is not found in France, but only in the Middle East region.
That said...
One author made a good case for the image possibly being that of Jacques De Molay, last Grand Master of the Knights Templars. Carbon dating of shroud is consistent with the era in which he was first brutally tortured and then burned at the stake...by King Phillip of France, and with the blessings of the Pope.
In any event...
I always find it interesting that, whenever something shows up that may actually physically prove the existence of Jesus, the Vatican inevitably blows it collective brains out trying to have it certified as fake.
In that vein, I tell my Christian friends that it's a pretty much given that, should Jesus ever return, the Vatican and Christians will be the first to deny Him, and label him some kind of kook.
Just sayin'...
news flash for you spring. catholics are Christians. so watch how you phrase things. we don't need someone else here showing their anti-Catholic bias. There are the Christian arbitrators on here who have made a judgment that Catholics aren't Christians. You need to check with them before you make a statement like that.
Don't vote knothead, it only encourages them. Anonymous
"Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups." Anonymous
"Self-reliance, free thinking, and wealth is anathema to both the power of the State and the Church." Derby Dude
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I have a piece of papyrus that jesus used to clean his crack with. I'll let ya touch it for a dollar. Prove that thy turd stain is not that of thy holly one.
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The logic of the claim is deeply flawed.
Just because it is possible to fake an object does not mean that original is a fake. Or there'd be no such thing as a real Colt SAA.
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this is an actual relic. a half eaten stack of pancakes w/ sausage. this was eaten by jesus as his last meal. prove me wrong. ![[Linked Image]](http://stresscake.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/half-eaten.jpg) By your own logic, if I just tell you your wrong, it is true. Yes?
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The logic of the claim is deeply flawed.
Just because it is possible to fake an object does not mean that original is a fake. Or there'd be no such thing as a real Colt SAA. Have they just made all of the colt SAAs disapear in a puff of logic?? 
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news flash for you spring. catholics are Christians. so watch how you phrase things. we don't need someone else here showing their anti-Catholic bias.
There are the Christian arbitrators on here who have made a judgment that Catholics aren't Christians. You need to check with them before you make a statement like that. I for one an deeply saddened by the loss of one long time Campfire member, one who was extremely knowledgeable and willing to share his many years in the outdoor fields. He left us because he was weary of those who beat up Catholics. He is one man who lives his faith every day not just by words but by every breath he breaths. It is often correctly stated that Christians kill their own and there is proof of that statement in the way he was treated here. It makes me ill. 
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IIRC, our host is a devout catholic as well. I may be wrong. If you believe in the Christ of the bible, I don;t see him returning with a huge entourage. As noted, many 'Christians' would probably demand the humble and anti-materialistic Jesus be locked up or worse. I mean the guy preached forgiveness, a simple life, love your enemies, don't judge, feed the hungry, clothe the poor and finance same by selling off all your worldly possessions. Sounds like some sort of liberal hippie freak. ![[Linked Image]](http://guntech.com/misc/daily_mail.jpg)
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IIRC, our host is a devout catholic as well. I may be wrong. You would be correct in the above statement. There are only a handful left who have been here longer than I have so I think I am safe in the following statement. Rick has been a gentleman the whole history of the Campfire and has done nothing to show he is anything but a Christian who lives his faith every day.
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I too am a Catholic,devout,, no, but nonetheless a Catholic. I have personally never really believed the Shroud was Christ's image on cloth. Just MY personal feelings,,, fact,,,, true or otherwise.
There is only ONE subject I generally don't argue with people about, Religion... because, you just ain't gonna succeed, just pizz them off fighting them regardless of WHAT THEY believe trying to change them.
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Wisdom, true wisdom.
BTW I believe it just may be. But it don't matter one way or the other to me.
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