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Whatever happened to Rick Jamison ? He used to write some pretty good reloading stuff but he seems to have vanished in the last several years.
dogdoc

Do a search, there are several hundred posts discussing Rick Jamison.

He obtained a patent on the WSM case design and than later sued Winchester for patent infringement and won. **Might not be 100% accurate, but it's close enough**

Either he's so rich now he doesn't need to write anything further, or more than likely nobody will touch him because of the crap he pulled.

ps: I enjoyed his articles as well

If Rick owned the patent, Winchester owed him since they were proven wrong. End of story.

i'm pretty sure short magnums pre-date that patent.

and it wasn't just Winchester.

That's kinda the irony of it, and I'm sure why no hunting magazine will touch him now.

Any one of us could go out and find something that's being widely used and if it didn't have a patent or a patent pending, we could apply for one and if it went through we could also sue anyone who used our idea. Doesn't make it morally right, but everyone's out for a buck.

Again, who knows maybe Rick is off somewhere sitting on a beach right now living the life. OR? maybe he never really thought his lawsuit out and the repercussions of it?

He might even be a member here------------Lee24 perhaps?

Pretty safe to believe that ain't the case...

Patents are rather difficult to get, generally, but very simple once you have one. You own it; the others don't. Doesn't matter what anyone else thinks or feels -- if Jamison had a patent on the design and Winchester wanted to use it, they had to pay him. They apparently believed differently, and lost.

Like I said -- it doesn't matter what any one of us, or all of us, might or might not believe, or think is right, or want to see, or anything else. The only thing that matters is holding the patent and responding to the patent.

Dennis

(ps...I couldn't give a rat's ass about the WSM cartridges, one way or the other...)

rick's patent was granted in 1998.

P.O. Ackley described in print short magnum cartridges in 1962.


http://www.chuckhawks.com/column18_death_short_magnums.htm

And local Smith Ralph Payne was doing them in late 50's and Dave Gentry had his own line in the 80's... only Rick Jamison had the gall and arrogance to take 100 years of handloading tradition and turn it on its head with his patent and litigation... likely he's a smart guy and did the "right" business thing, but its no wonder he's a pariah. I never did like his techy/dry approach to writing.

Jamisons lawsuit and subsequent revenue from WSM sales, both ammo and rifles, is the reason Ruger developed their own "short fat's"...

I remember reading Jamisons articles on his short mags created by cutting a 404 Jeffrey case to ~2.5" and necking to different calibers, I'm thinking that was ~97 and as mentioned he got a pattent in 1998. As I recall it came out in the court case that he'd approached various arms makers, including Winchester with his patented design. They said they weren't interested, as well as whatever other makers he approached.

Subsequent to that Winchester took the 348 win case, turned it into a rimless case, necked it to 270 and 30 cal and walla, the WSM. There was also a gunsmith in the mid 90's named Jim Brusha of Heavy Express rifles that did the same thing with the .348 brass, and was written up in some of the gun mags. But he didn't patent the design.

Winchester and others go on to sell short mags, and Jamison sues. He gets an out of court settlement for patent right violations.

Needless to say gunmags make their $ from advertising, and if they have a writer who has sued their advertisers, they are almost guranteed to loose out much of their advertising revenue.

There was a little more to it than that. Winchester actually was interested.

JB did you forget to finish the post or is that all the info you are comfortabe in giving out?
Ernie

Jamison presented the idea to Olin... they passed, changed his design slightly and hey-presto... WSM's!

That's all I'm gonna say.

Go back and read JB's posts on the earlier thread...

Why heck would anyone here come out in defense of Winchester (Olin Corporation) over a fellow hunter and , excuse me JB, "rifle loony"? What has Winchester ever done for you? I'm pretty sure their board of directors never made a descission that took your's, or anyone else's personnel well being into account.

I only know Mr. Jamison through his writing. I've never read anything to make me question his firearms and hunting experience and knowledge or his character. So how do you make the jump to "he's a money grabbing so and so"?

Fellas, we can argue the ins and outs, rights and wrongs all we want right here. Big it's just a fart in a hurricane. The thing is over. Rick Jamison is gone as a gun writer as effectively as if he were dead.

(Only met him once, two years ago. Was NOT favorably impressed.)

mw406,

When did I say anything in "defense" of Winchester? All I was dfoing was commenting on the story as I heard it, from various sources on both sides of the question.

seams these short mag been around long before, that 284 comes to mind ,along with 264 win, a long with the rem 350, along with 308win, seem close to 300 savage,there lot more. ricks i belive was 25 cal 300 case called 25 pronhorn