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I am gonna put my neck on the table here for all the axemen because I think this subject warrants its own unique thread. In several threads, I have read statements like ALL democrats and republicans are the same. They are all working together to carry out a sham on the people and working for the forces behind the scene to ruin the country etc. And I CAN'T take it any longer so here goes...

Democrats and republicans ARE NOT the same damn it!

First of all, and this is the only blanket generalization you will read from me, MOST democrats are basically part of the modern socialist party. It's so obvious by their policies and statements it isn't even funny. I have no use whatsoever for nearly all democrats except maybe Joe Liberman- that's it. Other than that, the democrat party is VERY unified in their agenda- not the republicans.

The modern republican party is itself a two party system and is internally divided, trying to find its true path. But it is NOT decided. Right now, there is an active struggle happening inside the republican party between true conservatives and moderate republicans. And there is a small segment of people with libertarian tendencies versus moderate republicans.

The conservatives and to some extent the libertarian minded republicans tend towards liberty, personal responsibility, individual power and adherence to the founding principles and the constitution. The moderates are nothing more than "democrat lite" and they are basically a virus inside the republican party dilluting the quality of the core values imo.

People who are liberal leaning and people who are conservative should have no use for moderate republicans but they get elected nonetheless. Because they are just "democrat lite", THEY make it seem like the parties are in fact the same.

For those who take on a fatalist viewpoint and feel that there is no hope or feel that the only choice is a third party, let me just say, there is another alternative. And that is to purge the virus that is the moderate republican.

Simply put, we must support true conservatives and libertarian minded republicans and COMPLETELY ABANDON all support for moderate republicans- period. By doing so, the group hug, politically correct, everyone is welcome, moderate weakness will be purged.

If we do that, there will be a REAL, decisive alternative to the democrat/socialist party that has gotten WAY to influential in the country. And it will be an alternative THAT CAN WIN. That last point is critical.

When a 3rd party candidate comes along with enough charisma, enough money and enough positive exposure TO WIN, I will be the first person in line to vote for that person. And I'm serious about that. Until that happens, however, power MUST be taken away from the socialists trying to steal the nation we love and they must be defeated AT ALL COST.

In one election cycle, the republican party can easily be transformed into that conservative, clear alternative to the democrats- instead of just being the politically correct democrat lite party.

And for you who are salivating right now and can't wait to hit the reply buttom to tell me "democrats and republicans are all the same and are all working for the new world order", please hear me out... It is completely unrealistic and insane to imagine that all those people are in on some huge conspiracy to sell out American sovereignty.

DON'T GET ME WRONG. I AM NOT saying that there is not a powerful force behind the scenes that wants to take down the nation to the point where a global government can step in and take over. In fact, I actually believe that is the case AND I will even say that it seems clear that Hussein was CHOSEN as the charismatic leader who could "pull it off".

But I DO NOT believe that the rest of congress is "in on it". Hussein is pulling the strings of his people just as much as his master is controlling him. They all believe they are supporting the democrat party and many of them so powerfully believe in the socialist kool aid, that they make it easy for Hussein. He doesn't have to make them pretend ANYTHING because they already believe it.

What they don't know is that they are being used as a means to an end in a broader plot. And most of them don't know any better. I think the exact same relationship goes for the major media outlets and their individual "reporters". The power behind MSNBC may be in on the plan but is there ANY doubt in anyone's mind that Racheal Maddow is a kool aid mainlining socialist? Not mine- no way. She is being used also.

The bottom line here on my post is that I truly believe that the republican party NEEDS TO BE FIXED. That's all. It has too many weaklings in it that are not serious enough to champion the conservative principles that I think are vital at this point in our history. And I think that can be done in one election cycle.

Until we get a thrid party candidate that has what it takes to not only represent the best principles AND CAN WIN, can we at least agree that the democrats (especially Obama) must be defeated at all cost???

Okay, dismounting my soapbox- flame on.

First OP, don't blow a gasket.

Second, where does a national politican draw a pay check? Understand that one and you'll understand why there can be no difference.

Seriously Dude, I TRULY VALUE everyone's opinion here- I really do, and that includes you my friend. But my moniker is not some cutsy thing I just pulled out of my butt. I am a true patriot of this country, through and through. And I almost cry watching what is happening to my beloved nation. That is not an exaggeration, I have cried before over it. I, like many others here, have taken an oath to give their lives for what the founding fathers started and the amazing documents that they penned many years ago. All I care about right now in politics is that this insidious trend that I have seen my whole life gets reversed. If that happens, I can die in peace.

Here is my generalization of the 2 parties. Republicans are Cowards and Democrats are Traitors. You can find individuals in each that are standup people abut as a whole they fit into these 2 categories.

To some extent, I can understand your position. I can't do anything about the democrats because they have proven that they are true believers. Unfortunately, what they believe in is typically unAmerican imo.

As far as the republicans are concerned being "cowards", I would say that SOME of them fear retribution from the voters if they represent true conservative principles. In other words, they are more worried about getting elected than representing.

The answer to this problem is for the voters to make it emphatically clear to the republicans what they want and that any watered down version of that is completely unacceptible. I for one am sick of compromises and deals that serve the politicians self interest instead of standing for what I think most Americans want.

This is a major illusion in politics right now. If the republicans would just stand for what their plank states, they would actually get more support than they think they will by being more "inclusive". Screw that inclusive schitt. But they keep getting tricked by the media and the democrats into believing that they have to compromise and that's what most people don't want.

Reagan was an unabashed conservative and he won by a friggin landslide. We haven't had a true conservative run since (and no Bush was NOT a true conservative) and hence we haven't had a landslide victory since.

The big fear is that a true conservative cannot win because they are too "extreme". But it's the media and the liberals who have coined that description of "extreme", NOT the people. If they run a true conservative candidate, they will win.

The National leadership of both parties are "elites" - these "leaders" protect their interests, not yours and mine.

Well I still believe in the system- IF we use it right. We the people have an incredible amount of power but haven't always used it right. We need a revolution. To me that seems clear. But I do believe that revolution can still happen at the voting both. We need to fire every one of them that doesn't represent our best interest- bar none. Then they can choose to defy the people and get fired. We are at a turning point right now. I have never seen the amount of civil turnout at rallies etc since the 60s. But this time, people are demanding justice and true representation. We have to recognise this as momentum that can be used for the benafit of the country.

You got my vote...

Problem is, they don't know that - yet...

you a good man OP


you'd do to ride the river



hope you're correct about a revolution in the voting booth


but honestly I don't see it happening


we waited too long


and squandered whatever opportunity was presented.


I'm not Bush basher, but whether by accident, design or just bad luck

the GOP had the presidency and both houses


and as horrific as it was due to 9-11 was presented with the greatest opportunity our nation has had in a very long time.

for a brief period we weren't white, or black or Dem or Repub, we were Americans.

we didn't say "the gloves are off, it's a fight to the finish" and follow through with it.

we didn't decrease spending in other areas to compensate for the war effort, we were told to go to the mall and keep spending.

Now a small percentage of our population (the military ) has been asked to endure the price, families with multiple deployments under their belts, reassignments so that they can be deployed again before what is supposed to be the timetable for redeployment etc.

I believe most of those folks are true patriots too, but how long is the tip of the spear to take the brunt without breaking?

but the real war is the economic war, Soros and his ilk have done this many times, who knows maybe it was practice runs for this, devauling currencies, leading to political instability.

for the golden rule holds true, he who has the gold makes the rules

do we even have any gold left?

look at what we've witnessed?

bailouts to banks so that they can reward themselves with incredible bonuses? amounts in bonuses that would let an average family retire or be financially secure for the rest of their lives.

take over of one of the largest corps in the US, bondholders shafted and unions given a cut?


I fear it's too late for a revolution in the voting booth, they've already reached the 50% mark for all intents and purposes to take from those who produce and earn to give to those that are dependent upon that take. Not just welfare moms, but every gov't employee.

and as I look around I'm encouraged to know that there are men like you that would die to defend the ideals this nation was founded upon, but I'm not sure there's enough of them, or if there is, if they can be organized enough or have enough time to do enouhg good to turn this thing around.


the next few years are likely to be interesting years, perhaps not happy years, but interesting.


I'm comforted to know there are good men in this nation that still care.

thank you OP for your patriotism

Trust me, if half the democraps and half the moderate republicans got fired at the voting both in the next few years, things would be a lot different. But the people have to make it extremely clear WHY those people got voted out. The electorate swings back and forth and schitheads like Obama say they have a mandate? What am azz, he won with 52% of the votes. No, I am talking about running a conservative who can beat Obama by a friggin landslide and having a real mandate. Either way, we need to just get back to gridlock next year so we can stop the massive bleeding. Then we can try and build a better team.

This sounds good in theory - but where are you gonna find enough "good guys" to fill all those empty slots? I just don't think they are enough to fill that many slots...

there will be an incumbent slaughter.....whether the replacements will be a great improvement remains to be seen.

we should be careful of the smug arrogance that believes the poster is the only one with America's interest at heart....I am heartily sick of reading posts bad mouthing "all of them" because I know many who really are public servants.

OutlawPatriot, thanks for a good subject and good messages.

Steve, you're not referring to me as "smug arrogance" are you. If so, that's not the message I was trying to convey.

well Steve, believe me, you're no more "sick of posts badmouthing all of them"

than I am waiting for one of these public servants to stand up and call a spade a spade.

give me some examples of your good ones if you'd be so kind and patient to do so, and their direction they espouse for this country.

if you're gonna trot out the usual suspects of the GOP and their empty promises I reckon you can save us both the time and trouble.

if you don't want a list of the patriotic people fighting the socialists in Congress, then exactly what list are you asking for?

it's so easy to chant "they're all terrible, woe is me" and it accomplishes nada

Why is it when the Dems propose something it's the usual list of Republicans who meet them halfway and in the process give away more of the store. The list in the Senate includes, McCain, Graham, Martinez, Snowe, Collins, Alexander, Corker, Voinovich, and Grassley. There are too many to mention in the House, but they all seem to be in the "go along and get along" mode. You would think that if they are already marginalized, they would do everything in their power to stymie the White House buy putting holds on nominees and refusing to cooperate at all with the Democrats at any level.

I don't see that happening. What I see are the usual suspects doing deals in direct contradiction with what their constituency desires and against what is good for the nation as a whole. That's why I will not give any money to the Party, or any of their re election committees. That money goes to help RINOs get reelected, and I refuse to participate in that. Electing someone like Michael Steele as head of the RNC speaks volumes about where the party's head is, and it definitely is not where the sun shines.

Until and unless the Republicans jettison pols like Snowe and Collins, it will not gain any traction with the more libertarian/conservative segment of the base, and we will continue to sit on our wallets and our votes.

Then the mid-term shift will happen without you.

Mike, you need to talk to the voters in those states.

"The Republicans" didn't pick those RINOs, the voters in their states did, in primaries and general elections.

I do talk to the voters in my state, and many of them are parasites who like government cheese, which is why I am very pessimistic about the future. Socialism has crept into the middle class, and they like it. Since this isn't apt to change, pols will adapt-at least until they bankrupt the country and destroy the currency. Corker is up for re election next year, and his modification of the Senate version of HR 1206 isn't winning him many points in my book, and neither is his soft pedaling the Health Care bill.

My point is that the Party needs to enforce Party discipline and make it's members conform to the Party platform, which last I checked is pretty conservative. If they are not willing to do that, and withhold funds and discipline those that go against it, then they need to change the platform into something more in line with their beliefs, and give those of us who don't feel that way fair warning to find another home. Talking small government and fiscal responsibility, but turning around and supporting statist agendas isn't honest dealing.

Those pols who do feel uncomfortable with the current platform need to join the caucus where they are most comfortable. If Snowe claims that the Party left her, then she needs to go where she feels at home. Same for the rest of those I named.

I'm tired of compromising my beliefs in order to get a majority, especially when it has been shown that having that majority does little to roll back the tide of socialism that is engulfing us all. I would rather be an honest opposition party united in it's beliefs as a bastion of libertarian/conservative/small government principles, than a "big tent" party that tries to be all things to all people and as such does none of them well.