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I like your take on it.

I believe true conservative republicans are like wolves. They hunt their own food and are self sustaining. Where democrats are like house dogs, who wait by their bowl for their master to feed them. LOL

Well if 100% means always conservative than yes it would be accurate for those two using ACU criteria. Of course, my criteria is different and much higher so take that for what it's worth.

ohhhkay I guess I am one of the retarded ones

I coulda swore all those years I was writing checks to the GOP I was told they were for smaller gov't, fiscal responsibility and balanced budgets.

Now please show me where they delivered such.

Jason, seriously, here's the bottom line from all my research. This of course is my opinion but I think it is accurate.

About 90% of the democrats are bad for this country based on their voting records. Some of the more conservative southern democrats aren't as bad as most and vote better than half the republicans.

On the republican side, about 50% of them are good people who have the best interest of the country as their top priority. The other hald are corrupt, too willing to compromise or just should be democrats.

Those 50% of the weak republicans are the ones that need to go away and fast because they are a cancer on the whole party. The other half are fighting the good fight against nearly insurmountable odds imo by they are doing they best. They just need our help.

In full disclosure, I am a conservative on most issues and a libertarian on a few. I am a republican as a distant third.

Please don't ever write another check to the GOP. Pick a real good candidate and give them your support. I would only reward those who earn your loyalty. And your loyalty should always need to be refreshed in each election cycle.

For those of you in Florida, please research Rubio and get that punk Crist out of office. That can be one of the first useless moderates to go.

Of course they didn't deliver that, everything is relative.....what you're seeing now is the probable alternative.

unless you plan a coup, and shoving Ayn Rand and freedom down the throats of the sheeple at gunpoint.....which would kind of be a contradiction....then you deal with the real world and the real options.

The "moderate" free spending GOPers are about to get creamed in most states still populated by sane people. In states with overwhelming numbers of sane people, they never got elected in the first place.

Whining and talking about utopia won't get 'er done, boys. Elections matter, and if the communist in the white house hasn't convinced you of that, nothing anybody says is going to either.

That's a pretty fair assessment, and roger on Rubio and not giving any money to the repubicans as well, but rather to individual candidates. jorge

I am Libertarian on most issues, and Conservative on a few, and Republican also as a distant third, especially since Reagan left office.

The problem with JasonB and his ilk are that they LIKE big government and socialism, and therefore approve of what the parasites such as Pelosi/Reid/Obama are trying to do.

I'm backed up as far as I'm going to be. Capitulation isn't in the cards. Rebellion will be if they keep pushing.

Just had a thought pop into my head... it does happen occasionally. Do politicians, RINOs and the like, think that they are voting the way their constituents want to because the Reps views got them elected? What I mean is the people at home may be sending the message 'don't vote for that' but the Rep thinks, "I believe in this so I'm voting yes".

Well anyone who is a student of our history knows that our country was formed on a foundation of conservative and libertarian principles. Our country didn't get where it is because of socialism. Why deviate from a paradigm that brought the greatest success that any country on earth has ever achieved. Every single flaw in our country can be traced to some example of a parasitic socialist program or mandate- bar none. So any of those people who think it is smart to continue down a path, that has already erroded some of the quality of our nation, is just plain delusional.

I think part of the problem is political arrogance frankly. When some elected officials are voted into office, they think they were elected because their opinions are the best. Or they think they got elected because the constituents agree with all their positions on issues. This is pretty stupid in most cases. How can an entire group of voters agree with 100% of a politicians opinions? It isn't possible of course.

So the voters should pick a candidate that agrees with MOST of what they believe in. And on the remaining issues, the elected official's obligation is to have a dialog with their constituents. Honestly, some people are just flat out uninformed of the issues and are susceptible to the influence of the corrupt. So the official should hold meetings, publish opinion papers etc and get feedback on the issues in question. After that, if the people choose to disagree with the politician, I think they are obligated to vote the way the people want.

What makes this subject challenging is the fact that the mechanics of politics are much different today than 200 years ago. Back then, we didn't have phones, email, the internet, near instant communications etc. So a politician would spend a lot of time with the local people, gain a strong knowledge of their opinions on issues and be the figure head of those people at a central legislative body.

The second challenge back then was the sheer size of the uninformed or uneducated electorate. So frankly, some people voted for a local representative because they knew that person would be able to make a more informed decision of their bahalf.

Today, people are more informed and more educated and politicians can communicate directly with the people through web sites and email and rallies etc. They can get on a plane and be in their local state in a few hours. I think it is the modern politician's duty to use all these communications tools to both keep their people informed on positions and their opinion and use these tools to make sure they know what the opinions are of their voters.

They are delusional. But they think that the great socialist/communist experiment hasn't been done correctly by those who have tried it-not recognizing that the reason that it won't work at all is the basic flaw called human nature. Even the most "pure" form of communism ever tried on a large scale, such as that formerly practiced in China, is morphing into a capitalistic, market oriented paradigm, because the Chinese leadership finally realized after killing 60 million people that they needed to change a few things if they were going to remain in power.

The frightening part about the current crop of socialist politicians and their fellow travelers is that they think that they can do it better. To me, that's the definition of insanity, doing the same thing over and over again expecting different results-classic delusional insanity.

Yes, the Chinese are actually more capitalistic than we are on some issues now. I would not call it only insanity. I would call it ARROGANT insanity. The true believers are so arrogant that they think the world has just not been blessed with people wise enough to implement their ideology correctly. And that is why it has failed in the past. They believe in the square wheel no matter what, because a square is a more righteous shape than a circle of course. But it's still a damned square and it won't roll.

You are actually closer to the truth than you realize.

All politicians from the local dog catcher to the national politican has an agenda they want to implement. A politician will tell a voter anything they want to hear to get elected so that the politician can implement that agenda.

On a national level all politicians are socialists. Some maybe fascist, communist, secular humanists, Christians or a combination of the four types but they are all socialists. It's true you may have a Maverick or two but not enough to really make a difference. This is why we keep heading socialistic no matter who we elect.

Two hundred years ago the agenda was freedom, liberty, and capitalism but not any more.

I just dropped off $200 to a local city councilman that carries the flag for vote NO on sales tax.

so i'll still give to what I see as a worthy cause.

pretty sure it's still available in the search function Steve my take on the last presidential election.

I'm mad as hell at the GOP, but when push came to shove I donated against the Obama campaign.

I guess in essence I'm inclined to vote for a slower death than a quicker one, if I'm supporting the GOP in their past performance.



I'm open to the coup idea, when can you get it going? (grin)

and why do you think shoving freedom down folks throats with a gun barrel is any worse than shoving socialism down our throats with same as has been happening the last 40 years or so. Regardless of the campaign promises, which side got elected etc. that's been the end result.

though I'll grant you the Dems like to oil the slippery slope, but can't see that the GOP has done much to gain any traction against the pull of gravity when they've been at the helm.

I think this is where we are gonna have to disagree and part ways on this subject. Because if that's really how absolute you feel, I don't think there is anything I can say to change your mind. And there is no way that I can believe in that broad of a level of pessimism.

Sorry but that's the way I see after 40+ years in the trenches. If somebody can show me that the Republicans haven't taken us down the socialistic path I'm all ears or in this case all eyes but I can't see it. Heck, I even remember Nixon's wage and price controls. Nothing free about that nor capitalistic and it lead to double digit inflation during Carter's years.

oh and as an aside


Steve I do want a list of the good politicians you support.

I'd like it to start with those that addressed their body of Congress by denouncing the automatic pay raise they game themselves while unemployment has soared, the deficit is piling up etc., etc. ad nauseum.


it shouldn't take you very long

dang the list is even shorter than I thought it would be!